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Old 09-19-2014, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Qualified or not he's calling the shots.
He already did a big purge of Generals last year right after Benghazi.
Reassignments to desk jobs, resignations and retirements abounded then.

Now he has the next batch that don't agree with him.

Sounds like Adolf Hitler in 1945.

 
Old 09-19-2014, 06:56 AM
 
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The US hasn't fought a successful military campaign since WWII. This wil be no different.
The US drove the North Koreans and Chinese out of South Korea, destroyed the Viet Cong, kicked Hussein out of Kuwait, drove the Taliban out of Afghanistan, and conquered Iraq.

Contrary to what you've said, America hasn't had an unsuccessful military campaign in over a century.

If you want to say the US hasn't fought a successful war since Korea, you'd be correct. But when you say military campaign, you are completely wrong.
 
Old 09-19-2014, 07:20 AM
 
Location: DC
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The US drove the North Koreans and Chinese out of South Korea, destroyed the Viet Cong, kicked Hussein out of Kuwait, drove the Taliban out of Afghanistan, and conquered Iraq.

Contrary to what you've said, America hasn't had an unsuccessful military campaign in over a century.

If you want to say the US hasn't fought a successful war since Korea, you'd be correct. But when you say military campaign, you are completely wrong.
We lost badly in Vietnam and failed in our mission in Iraq. How we did in Afghanistan depend upon what you consider the mission. Certainly we spent a tremendous amount of money and lives for very modest change. We push Al Quaida out, but the Taliban controls most of the country today.
 
Old 09-19-2014, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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McArthur wanted to use about 50 nukes on China to pacify the Chinese during the Korean war. Good thing we as a society recognize at generals aren't always right.
Indeed. Generals advice the presidents, and since they have many generals reporting to him/her, there will be many opinions, and it will be impossible to go with multiple contradicting opinions. So, you can always say the president didn't take the advice of his/her general, but the truth is he/she did take the advice from some, and rejected some others.

This should not be too hard to figure out.
 
Old 09-19-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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And when something goes wrong he will throw those generals under the bus
Throwing people under the bus for his own errors is what he does best.
 
Old 09-19-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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If he generals get out of line, FIRE THEM.

Simple enough. I'm not interested in what the general staff has to say beyond concocting battle plans. Otherwise they need to shut the hell up and mind their business. They don't make policy...they follow orders.

Obama should accept no lip from any of them.
And when Obama gets out of line (not representing the will of the people he is supposed to serve) can we fire him also? Without waiting and giving him time for more screw-ups?

Seems to be the sort of action you advocate.
 
Old 09-19-2014, 10:09 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Haha, if you have to nitpick semantics, then we know you know you have no argument to begin with.
It is not "nit-picking" to take a direct quote from the fool in chief when he admits in the next breath that we already have advisers on the ground. Spinning and trying to use linguistic tricks to deny what he is saying.

Just a reminder to all, we started with "advisors" in Viet Nam. How many "advisors" did we end up with and did they see combat?

We are being lied to again by the alleged leader of the free world.

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Old 09-19-2014, 10:16 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Yes i know that. They are called advisers and are not supposed to be engaging the enemy as combat troops.
There is a difference in the eyes of govts.
A repeat of a previous post:

AT the start we were advisors in Viet Nam. How did that turn out?
 
Old 09-19-2014, 10:22 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Narcissists don't take advice from anyone.
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Even from, Valarie Jarrett???

Only if it is what he wants to hear.
 
Old 09-19-2014, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Politicians and diplomats should always ignore the "experts" when it comes to military affairs.
After all, it is well known that military officers are knuckle dragging Neanderthals who only know death and destruction, RIGHT??
They did not listen to Patton, and read your history to find out what happened.
They did not listen to MacArthur, either, again read your history and find out what happened.
They did not listen to Westmoreland and other generals in Vietnam, and look what happened.
those who do not learn from history shall be doomed to repeat it!

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