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Old 09-18-2014, 09:15 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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We seem to be flooded with people (mostly return trolls) who want to gripe and whine about how they believe "rich blue states" pay to support "poor red states" because "poor red states" get back more from the federal government than they pay out.

Why is this a problem? Isn't that the most perfect, liberal utopia scenario imaginable? You get to feel good about paying your "fair share" as a rich blue stater and you don't have actually be bothered by the poor people you help.

Who cares which state pays more and which state spends more federal tax dollars, it's clear that some states are more in need than your ultra rich blue states so why do you have a problem helping out those who are less fortunate than yourselves? Aren't liberals all about compassion and helping people?

 
Old 09-18-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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We seem to be flooded with people (mostly return trolls) who want to gripe and whine about how they believe "rich blue states" pay to support "poor red states" because "poor red states" get back more from the federal government than they pay out.

Why is this a problem? Isn't that the most perfect, liberal utopia scenario imaginable? You get to feel good about paying your "fair share" as a rich blue stater and you don't have actually be bothered by the poor people you help.

Who cares which state pays more and which state spends more federal tax dollars, it's clear that some states are more in need than your ultra rich blue states so why do you have a problem helping out those who are less fortunate than yourselves? Aren't liberals all about compassion and helping people?

Absolutely, which is why it is so sad to see that so many people here are not. I guess some figure that presenting FACTS that liberal states support poorer/red states will help increase the compassion level of conservatives.

Unfortunately, facts rarely have effects on conservatives. They will still mostly judge and vote via their anger on isolated personal incidents such as "one person ahead of them in line buying pork chops w EBT yet they cant afford it."

But we keep trying out of compassion. Conservatives keep beaching out of "entitlement." Ironic isn't it?

*sigh*
 
Old 09-18-2014, 03:28 PM
 
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Absolutely, which is why it is so sad to see that so many people here are not. I guess some figure that presenting FACTS that liberal states support poorer/red states will help increase the compassion level of conservatives.

Unfortunately, facts rarely have effects on conservatives. They will still mostly judge and vote via their anger on isolated personal incidents such as "one person ahead of them in line buying pork chops w EBT yet they cant afford it."

But we keep trying out of compassion. Conservatives keep beaching out of "entitlement." Ironic isn't it?

*sigh*
Most of our poor states, especially those in the south, were Blue states for nearly a hundred years.

It's no surprise that states being run by Democrats for so long would be needing to have the government take from other states.
 
Old 09-18-2014, 04:29 PM
 
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Absolutely, which is why it is so sad to see that so many people here are not. I guess some figure that presenting FACTS that liberal states support poorer/red states will help increase the compassion level of conservatives.

Unfortunately, facts rarely have effects on conservatives. They will still mostly judge and vote via their anger on isolated personal incidents such as "one person ahead of them in line buying pork chops w EBT yet they cant afford it."

But we keep trying out of compassion. Conservatives keep beaching out of "entitlement." Ironic isn't it?

*sigh*
That sounds great but it's a proven fact that conservatives are more compassionate and more charitable than liberals. Conseravtives regularly donate more to charity and help more people than their "rich" liberal counterparts.
 
Old 09-18-2014, 04:35 PM
 
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Absolutely, which is why it is so sad to see that so many people here are not. I guess some figure that presenting FACTS that liberal states support poorer/red states will help increase the compassion level of conservatives.

Unfortunately, facts rarely have effects on conservatives. They will still mostly judge and vote via their anger on isolated personal incidents such as "one person ahead of them in line buying pork chops w EBT yet they cant afford it."

But we keep trying out of compassion. Conservatives keep beaching out of "entitlement." Ironic isn't it?

*sigh*
Sigh is right, that's a damn silly post. When have YOU ever learned a fact about the real world in your life? Because you certainly have not demonstrated that here.
 
Old 09-18-2014, 04:51 PM
 
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We seem to be flooded with people (mostly return trolls) who want to gripe and whine about how they believe "rich blue states" pay to support "poor red states" because "poor red states" get back more from the federal government than they pay out.

Why is this a problem? Isn't that the most perfect, liberal utopia scenario imaginable? You get to feel good about paying your "fair share" as a rich blue stater and you don't have actually be bothered by the poor people you help.

Who cares which state pays more and which state spends more federal tax dollars, it's clear that some states are more in need than your ultra rich blue states so why do you have a problem helping out those who are less fortunate than yourselves? Aren't liberals all about compassion and helping people?
Because liberal arguments are expedient. They just argue what they think sounds good at the moment, even if it contradicts what they said 15 minutes earlier.
 
Old 09-18-2014, 04:54 PM
 
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Absolutely, which is why it is so sad to see that so many people here are not. I guess some figure that presenting FACTS that liberal states support poorer/red states will help increase the compassion level of conservatives.
Conservatives are the ones with compassion, not liberals. Liberals are all about saying things to look good, while demanding someone else fund their wish list of giveaways.

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Unfortunately, facts rarely have effects on conservatives. They will still mostly judge and vote via their anger on isolated personal incidents such as "one person ahead of them in line buying pork chops w EBT yet they cant afford it."
You argument that conservatives are just "bad people" is old, wrong, and most of all, hypocritical. After all, it's liberals who whine someone ELSE must be required to pay for their pretend generosity. When they are actually finding out that they're required to do what they demand be done, they get angry, like you do.

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But we keep trying out of compassion. Conservatives keep beaching out of "entitlement." Ironic isn't it?
Huh? Try again.
 
Old 09-18-2014, 05:17 PM
 
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It's pretty well known that conservatives 'give more money' to charity, which a large part is through their religious affiliations. Democrats (including liberals), mainly through social causes such as tsunami relief, feeding the homeless, etc..

Forbes published a study last year, and I forget it verbatim, but basically they studied responses from both political spectrums. The charity was involving building homes for low income earners. However the question/name of the charity was worded in two different forms. And I paraphrase here;

First- "Building homeownership through traditional values and community building".
Second- "Defending homelessness by empowering individual families".

So the study found that conservatives were twice as likely to donate for Charity 1, while Democrats were twice as likely to donate for Charity 2. Both, ironically = same end result. Conservatives bend when the words 'tradition' and 'values' are used- imposing purity in their minds. Democrats fold when they hear 'defending against' or 'combating X social ill'.

It's all rather amusing, actually.
 
Old 09-18-2014, 05:25 PM
 
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Absolutely, which is why it is so sad to see that so many people here are not. I guess some figure that presenting FACTS that liberal states support poorer/red states will help increase the compassion level of conservatives.

Unfortunately, facts rarely have effects on conservatives. They will still mostly judge and vote via their anger on isolated personal incidents such as "one person ahead of them in line buying pork chops w EBT yet they cant afford it."

But we keep trying out of compassion. Conservatives keep beaching out of "entitlement." Ironic isn't it?

*sigh*

Is even more ironic when you realize that conservatives keep preching "fiscal responsibility" while gladly accepting liberal states' money....

Its like the liberal states pay the red states so they can continue to fail and continue to preach about economics lol

It's not just ironic, its crazy and it even has the name: "Moocher paradox"

"The Moocher Myth is this: People who vote Republican are successful, responsible strivers who pay taxes and keep the U.S. government afloat, while people who vote for Democrats are irresponsible moochers living off government programs. In Romney’s phrase, they are the 47 percent “who are dependent on government, who believe they are victims.” Reporter Mike Barnicle was criticized for saying something similar after the 2000 presidential election, claiming that the blue states on the map that voted for Al Gore were the “sense of entitlement” states.

But research then and now has pointed out that the states that got the most per capita in federal dollars were more likely to vote for Republicans. What explains this paradox?"

Bloomberg Business News: Blame FDR and LBJ for moocher paradox in red states
 
Old 09-18-2014, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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We seem to be flooded with people (mostly return trolls) who want to gripe and whine about how they believe "rich blue states" pay to support "poor red states" because "poor red states" get back more from the federal government than they pay out.

Why is this a problem? Isn't that the most perfect, liberal utopia scenario imaginable? You get to feel good about paying your "fair share" as a rich blue stater and you don't have actually be bothered by the poor people you help.

Who cares which state pays more and which state spends more federal tax dollars, it's clear that some states are more in need than your ultra rich blue states so why do you have a problem helping out those who are less fortunate than yourselves? Aren't liberals all about compassion and helping people?
Yeah, they're kind of hypocritical. When it's something THEY want from YOU, then the mantra is, "We all live in a society," or "You use the roads, too!" But when they see that some of their money is going somewhere other than their own pocket (after .gov takes their chunk, of course), all of the sudden it's a huge problem worth whining about online.

Everyone's hypocritical, to an extent, but those on the left side of the spectrum are far worse than anyone else about it. Same goes for double standards. They'll go on for days (or weeks) about a Republican that had an affair, but when a Democrat President of the United States does it, it's none of anyone's business, right?

Hypocrites.
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