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You mad that comparison. I am saying that today, right now, virtually no one can afford the outrageous costs of health care that doctors and hospitals wish to charge for their services. Furthermore, I am saying that they can only charge these ridiculous fees because they can hide that cost from the consumer by using insurance companies as a buffer to their madness. If people had to actually pay for health care that they received, costs would either be forced downwards or nearly all medical people would be forced to become garbage collectors or something, because they would have no customers. They charge too much, they believe themselves too valuable, they are not held accountable to the market in a way that they should be.
Spot on.
They're little more than google and youtube watchers in white coats for most "services" they provide at this point.
"Insurance" is a regulatory device used to manipulate cost, practice, etc. Just one of many.
Strip away their regulatory devices and these delicate geniuses would be exposed for the frauds they are.
10 years ago I realized this. Then I started diagnosing every health issue I had. Printed out the research, took my own medical history into account, and recorded my own vitals/stats. I only go to the delicate genius when I need to use a drug or machine I'm not authorized access to by daddy government.
And to no surprise my diagnosis and treatment have been corroborated by the delicate genius 100% of the time.
They're little more than google and youtube watchers in white coats for most "services" they provide at this point.
"Insurance" is a regulatory device used to manipulate cost, practice, etc. Just one of many.
Strip away their regulatory devices and these delicate geniuses would be exposed for the frauds they are.
10 years ago I realized this. Then I started diagnosing every health issue I had. Printed out the research, took my own medical history into account, and recorded my own vitals/stats. I only go to the delicate genius when I need to use a drug or machine I'm not authorized access to by daddy government.
And to no surprise my diagnosis and treatment have been corroborated by the delicate genius 100% of the time.
A doctor's visit is about $100. In 1971, when I first started nursing, it was $16. That $16 is the equivalent of $93.97 in today's money. CPI Inflation Calculator
My first year as a doc intern I got paid $13K 1976-77. My daughter a first year doc this year gets $54K. All the same with inflation.
Of course there are many more costs in HC aside from doctors fees. The BIG money is in the hospital.
A doctor caring for him/herself has a fool for a patient!
I dunno Did you ever see that article on that guy that made his own dentures. He did a really good job. I think there are certain things one doesn't need a doc/dentist for. And if you are an actual doctor, why couldn't you treat yourself for most minor things. You definitely have the knowledge. I've always understood the phrase, docs make the worst patients, but not the fool for a patient one. And, don't they use that same phrase for lawyers anyways
I'm not very bright so the time and effort it takes for me to learn about an ailment I have and what I should do about it would take a more intelligent person probably half said time/effort.
Actually my uncle is pretty smart. He's a retired mailman. He has access to google and youtube though. He's also the most competent dentist I know. Not dentists who were mailmen...just dentists.
I generally seek his advice on medical/dental issues. He doesn't charge me $80 to look at an outdated/incorrect chart for 3 minutes and then use a scary machine only he's "authorized" to utilize to tell me something I told him when he walked in the room.
I dunno Did you ever see that article on that guy that made his own dentures. He did a really good job. I think there are certain things one doesn't need a doc/dentist for. And if you are an actual doctor, why couldn't you treat yourself for most minor things. You definitely have the knowledge. I've always understood the phrase, docs make the worst patients, but not the fool for a patient one. And, don't they use that same phrase for lawyers anyways
LOL! I don't think you read the article. They are inexpensive b/c they don't cover much. And it appears they are not even available in the US. Here's what else Wiki says about that article:
**This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.
A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (July 2011)
This article needs additional citations for verification. (July 2011)**
From the article itself: "While being a rather niche market that targets high net worth individuals and company employees of multinationals and other global businesses,"
They're available in Canada, the UK and South Africa, three countries that have UHC. They're supplemental.
I think you take wikipedia too seriously, and did absolutely no research on your own. So, you repeat nonsense you read because it fits your politics.
11/12 Cancer Treatments cost in excess of $100,000 a year in the US.
ERs do not provide Cancer Treatment.
Most Cancer Treatment Centers require an uninsured patient to demonstrate their ability to pay for treatment before treatment begins.
Most individuals don't pay an $800/ month premium.
Dishonesty is strong with you, isn't it? In fact, it seems to be the sum of everything you post.
The original post I responded to was:
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No, there is no burden of insurance, without insurance very few people would have the cash to regularly see a doctor or God forbid a specialist. Would that be better for any party involved? I don't think so.
To which I responded:
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Wow, so someone who has to pay out 800/mo for insurance, could not afford to pay to see a doctor if they didn't have insurance.
$800 > 4 visits to your doctor a month. Your argument is pure nonsense.
To which you responded the above.
The 800/mo is a 10,000 dollar deductible policy for me and my wife.
So, in addition to that
9,600 / year, it pays nothing of any use until you hit ANOTHER 10,000 and the original complaint was that without insurance "few people would have the cash to regularly see a doctor". I merely pointed the unbelievable stupidity of that argument, along with the fact is is absolutely FALSE.
If I bought insurance I would NEVER see a doctor OR take any prescriptions, and I would be homeless.
So, because of my financial condition, the government is going to fine me. Thanks to Obamacare, insurance for us is now nearly DOUBLE the price for the wife and I, of what it was 3 years ago for me, the wife, and 3 of my kids.
Why anyone would believe a single thing a liberal says, I cannot imagine. Everything they say turns out to be absolutely false.
I think you take wikipedia too seriously, and did absolutely no research on your own. So, you repeat nonsense you read because it fits your politics.
You are absolutely wrong.
YOU are the one who provided the Wiki link, remember? It's flawed. Big surprise!
Those policies will not cover your needs. Too bad you bought one.
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Did you ever see that article on that guy that made his own dentures. He did a really good job. I think there are certain things one doesn't need a doc/dentist for. And if you are an actual doctor, why couldn't you treat yourself for most minor things. You definitely have the knowledge. I've always understood the phrase, docs make the worst patients, but not the fool for a patient one. And, don't they use that same phrase for lawyers anyways
