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Old 09-22-2014, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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PMF - You are correct. There have been literally millions of different climates over the last three billion years of geologic time. We differentiate sections of this history by major differences in climate with the resulting changes in the flora and fauna resulting from the change.

In terms of geologic climate change I do not think the current change will be very large. Unlike the changes at the end of the Permian or the Cretaceous the expected changes are not likely to place a world wide extinction on humanity. They may discommodate billions of people and upset world wide finance it will not make humanity disappear. It will still be interesting to watch and experience.
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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Do you think science is the same as religion where all your answers are printed in a book written thousands of years ago or do you think science evolves as we learn more about the physical world?

You are free to debate what kind of effect man has on global warming, but global warming is happening with or without your approval.

Using your analogy, that would be the same as someone getting a small bit of information cherry picked and claiming that there is no such thing as global warming because their small sampling of information says so. I prefer to rely on science that uses data and research, not guessing.
I'm glad we agree on something. It would be happening regardless of if humans are here or not.

Just like it did millions of times before humans were here.
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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Here's my beef with the climate change scenario. All the positives are overlooked and the negatives exaggerated. No one brings up that plants both grow significantly faster now than they have in the past and are significantly more drought resistant, all because of CO2.

GregW said that New England is more mild than he remembers it. Mild = better, because you can always go inland for more extreme.

The biggest negative of them all is that a lot of land in Canada and Siberia is unusable because the earth is to cold.

It's a change. And change brings both good and bad.
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:24 PM
 
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PMF - You are correct. There have been literally millions of different climates over the last three billion years of geologic time. We differentiate sections of this history by major differences in climate with the resulting changes in the flora and fauna resulting from the change.

In terms of geologic climate change I do not think the current change will be very large. Unlike the changes at the end of the Permian or the Cretaceous the expected changes are not likely to place a world wide extinction on humanity. They may discommodate billions of people and upset world wide finance it will not make humanity disappear. It will still be interesting to watch and experience.

I agree, one thing about humans is that they are incredibly flexible and adapt to whatever environment Mother Nature throws at them.

Humans were down to something like 16,000 during a major ice age in the past I read, and came all the way back to 7 billion today. Change, change, change. Something that Earth and humans have done together for the tiny fraction of time humans have been on this Earth (compared to the age of the Earth).
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I'm glad we agree on something. It would be happening regardless of if humans are here or not.

Just like it did millions of times before humans were here.
Maybe, maybe not, but I want scientists to continue to research the causes of why it is happen, what kind of effect we are having, and what we can do to effect any changes, and what we can do to prepare.
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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Here's my beef with the climate change scenario. All the positives are overlooked and the negatives exaggerated. No one brings up that plants both grow significantly faster now than they have in the past and are significantly more drought resistant, all because of CO2.

GregW said that New England is more mild than he remembers it. Mild = better, because you can always go inland for more extreme.

The biggest negative of them all is that a lot of land in Canada and Siberia is unusable because the earth is to cold.

It's a change. And change brings both good and bad.
Russia could win the cold war!
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:30 PM
 
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Maybe, maybe not, but I want scientists to continue to research the causes of why it is happen, what kind of effect we are having, and what we can do to effect any changes, and what we can do to prepare.
I want scientists to learn as much as they can with an open mind and try to keep their findings, their knowledge and their view of what they think they know relative to the complexity of the Earth's ecosystem.

They think they know what CO2 in the atmosphere does, BUT THEY REALLY DON'T. They are just working on a hypothesis. And look at the conclusions they have jumped to, to the ruination of entire industries and livelihoods. Shutting these coal plants is a disaster to our economy. No one has really felt the effects yet.

Just wait. You'll see your elec bill double and maybe triple because of what is coming down the pipe with this insane agenda.
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I want scientists to learn as much as they can with an open mind and try to keep their findings, their knowledge and their view of what they think they know relative to the complexity of the Earth's ecosystem.

They think they know what CO2 in the atmosphere does, BUT THEY REALLY DON'T. They are just working on a hypothesis. And look at the conclusions they have jumped to, to the ruination of entire industries and livelihoods. Shutting these coal plants is a disaster to our economy. No one has really felt the effects yet.

Just wait. You'll see your elec bill double and maybe triple because of what is coming down the pipe with this insane agenda.
When was the last time you were near a coal power plant and thought that is some fresh air that thing is pumping out? I don't know about you, but I like having clean air to breath, it helps me live and I would like to preserve my clean air as much as possible and a coal power plant doesn't provide me with clean air.

Also, if you want scientists to learn as much as they can, why do you not like what they learn from their research? Do you only want them to just produce research you agree with?
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Old 09-22-2014, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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Science is never settled, climate or otherwise. It is always a work in progress. Thankfully, it is not work that belongs in the twittersphere.

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Old 09-22-2014, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Here's my beef with the climate change scenario. All the positives are overlooked and the negatives exaggerated. No one brings up that plants both grow significantly faster now than they have in the past and are significantly more drought resistant, all because of CO2.
Oh my goodness.....
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