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Old 09-23-2014, 08:43 PM
 
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I can't "leave". That's the point. All land is claimed by statists in some form. They will imprison or kill me.
No it's not.

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Government kills,
Lol. The government rarely, if ever, kills without cause and that is usually an accident.


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steals, doesn't respect property rights, so yes it's evil.
The government doesn't steal and is the only entity enforcing property rights.

 
Old 09-23-2014, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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He defined the current society as evil; I would like clarification.



You are the one advocating for anarchy. Put your money where your mouth is, move to Somalia and give up your US citizenship.
What if I renounced my U.S. citizenship (even though it's not legitamite anyway) and lived here in America? Could I then live here free from force from the government?
 
Old 09-23-2014, 08:47 PM
 
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What if I renounced my U.S. citizenship (even though it's not legitamite anyway) and lived here in America? Could I then live here free from force from the government?

Why would the society let you do it? It's like asking if you could tear up your driver license and then drive on public roads obeying traffic laws only when you feel like it.
 
Old 09-23-2014, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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No it's not.



Lol. The government rarely, if ever, kills without cause and that is usually an accident.




The government doesn't steal and is the only entity enforcing property rights.
Oh my!
 
Old 09-23-2014, 08:47 PM
 
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What if I renounced my U.S. citizenship (even though it's not legitamite anyway) and lived here in America? Could I then live here free from force from the government?
No. You said you wanted to live in anarchy. You cannot have the benefits of a modern civilization if you aren't willing to agree to the terms. I mean, you could try, but then we would imprison you at some point. Besides, illegal aliens are not allowed to be in the USA -- plus, you have to be outside the USA when you renounce your citizenship.
 
Old 09-23-2014, 08:49 PM
 
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Government kills, steals, doesn't respect property rights, so yes it's evil.

If it wasn't for the government who would stop some bad people from taking your property from you?
 
Old 09-23-2014, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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He defined the current society as evil; I would like clarification.



You are the one advocating for anarchy. Put your money where your mouth is, move to Somalia and give up your US citizenship.
I'll jump in on the Somalia thing even though he explained it already. Somalia is not a society where the NAP is understood or valued. Telling him to go there is like this:

The world believes rape is acceptable. It occurs to you that rape is not ok and you try to convince others that it's wrong. They tell you "if you don't like rape then you can leave." The issue is that you have nowhere to go to. If the whole world accepts rape, you can't escape it. They say "well go live in the wilderness where there are no people." The entire point is to convince people that rape is bad so that you and others can live in modern society without being raped. Living in another hostile or difficult environment to avoid a different hostile environment is not what you want.
 
Old 09-23-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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If it wasn't for the government who would stop some bad people from taking your property from you?
They just wouldn't do it. Plus, the voluntary dispute organization would attempt to convince the thieves to submit to arbitration. Lol.
 
Old 09-23-2014, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Why would the society let you do it? It's like asking if you could tear up your driver license and then drive on public roads obeying traffic laws only when you feel like it.
Lol.

Uncle Sam, may I have a cookie after dinner?

Why do my rights or your rights belong to the government to be distributed if we "behave ourselves"?
 
Old 09-23-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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Because the society that you were born into decided so long time ago.



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Lol.

Uncle Sam, may I have a cookie after dinner?

Why do my rights or your rights belong to the government to be distributed if we "behave ourselves"?
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