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Old 09-25-2014, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Sunrise
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So your assumption is that Southerners are all obese, all smoke, all live in poverty, are all racist, and discriminate against voters.... Did I get everything?
I'm not going to speak for him. But I'd say that far too many people fit the above description. And the South has had 150 years to fix this but has not done so. And we need to knock it off with religion dictating what is taught in schools. The thing you didn't get in your list of societal ills is education. And that's the big one. Fix that and all the other problems solve themselves. We need to rein in our crazies, sit them down, and have a talk with them about basic human decency.

The North already did this and it is a better place for it. It is not a PERFECT place, of course. But in those ways, it's better. If they'd learn to let their hair down occasionally and have some fun, it would be better still.

 
Old 09-25-2014, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Huntsville
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Silly Scoop, you are expecting people from the south to *think of someone other than HIMself*!

Yet another pot shot against the South. You're further proving my point. It seems perfectly acceptable for anyone not in the south to say what they want, but let someone from the South respond and...... well, you just proved it.
 
Old 09-25-2014, 03:12 PM
 
Location: PA/NJ
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Agreed on the having fun. Northerners are uptight workaholics, lol.

I've only been to Arizona and California. Arizona is nothing special at all. California is extremely congested in the major cities and outrageous in price and pollution. I've heard the pacific northwest is beautiful though!
That's the part my wife wants to move to,though I've been eyeing Montana for awhile now also...
 
Old 09-25-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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There's a huge problem with the article, chiefly the fact that it thinks in terms of a snapshot rather than a trend line. Show a snapshot, and you'll see the South a little behind the rest of the country. Show a trend line and you'll see a region that is very quickly catching up.

Here's an example. Median family income for Alabama in 1969 was 75% of the national average. Median family income for Alabama in 2013 was 89% of the national average. When you factor in cost of living versus more expensive states, that makes things a great deal closer.

Or let's look at Georgia. Georgia's median family income in 1969 was 86% of the national average. Today, it's 93%. Not as big a climb as Alabama's, but you get the idea.

Mind you, that's not to say that southern states don't have work to do. But it also means that the article really obscures some important facts, namely that southern states have closed the gap with the rest of the country in terms of economic health.
 
Old 09-25-2014, 03:25 PM
 
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So your assumption is that Southerners are all obese, all smoke, all live in poverty, are all racist, and discriminate against voters.... Did I get everything?
Did I say that?

Instances of those variables are all higher in the South.

That's like me saying all northerners are flaming liberals
 
Old 09-25-2014, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Teaching rabid patriotism is the first step to fascism.



Life in the South is not better than life in the North, period.

People in the North migrate South for retirement / weather, or because they have been displaced from a Middle Class lifestyle. Few northerners actually like the South. All my transplant friends simply comment on the price of everything and winter weather (while b****ing about the summers). Half of them end up moving back north in a year.
How do you know this (bolded part)?

Your user name explains your statement that life is not better in the South.
 
Old 09-25-2014, 03:31 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Why do people from the north keep moving South ?

Love touring the north. The sight of all those closed manufacturing buildings is very historic.

It truly is the Rust Belt.
 
Old 09-25-2014, 03:52 PM
 
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How do you know this (bolded part)?

Your user name explains your statement that life is not better in the South.
Depends on what you value. The South's growth is unsustainable. Too much sprawl and too car-centric. One oil crisis away from a bust.

The North is more urbanized. I'm an urbanite.

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Why do people from the north keep moving South ?
Already addressed that.

1) Retirement & Weather (usually a package deal)
2) Housing Costs

They aren't moving south for that southern culture, LOL.

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Love touring the north. The sight of all those closed manufacturing buildings is very historic.

It truly is the Rust Belt.
That's what typically happens when we outsource our manufacturing jobs....
 
Old 09-25-2014, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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I'm not going to speak for him. But I'd say that far too many people fit the above description. And the South has had 150 years to fix this but has not done so. And we need to knock it off with religion dictating what is taught in schools. The thing you didn't get in your list of societal ills is education. And that's the big one. Fix that and all the other problems solve themselves. We need to rein in our crazies, sit them down, and have a talk with them about basic human decency.
And have you spent sufficient time in the south (outside of a few areas like Atlanta, Charlotte and most of Florida -- and beyond reading bumper stickers on the highway), to verifiy that conditions there are really as repressive as you paint them?

In his recent work Natchez Burning, novelist Greg Iles, who is certainly no conservative, underscores the point that the NEA-dominated public schools, which are predominately non-white, are saddled with a much higher dropout rate, while private schools, which have a small-but-growing contingent of minority students, have a much stronger record.

Petersburg, VA -- where I lived for a couple of years, which supported segregated "bedroom" communities as recently as the 1950's, and which is only about 40 miles north ofthe North Carolina border, has a simillar disparity. But Mr. Iles does not advocate futher coercive and authoritarian measures in the hands of a supposedly-enlightened few as a remedy.

I can show you rural areas in my native Pennsylvania where provincialism and xenophobia are just as common: and judging by a few recent events in Massachusetts and Connecticut, these supposedly-enlightened states have their own share of crazies.

It's time to get off your high horse and recognize that we're all in this together, but we don't need people of your mentality calling all the shots. If you don't like it, you can slip Neil Young's caterwauling Souhern Man onto your audio system and reinforce your own bigotry.

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Old 09-25-2014, 09:13 PM
 
Location: FL
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Why do people from the north keep moving South ?

Love touring the north. The sight of all those closed manufacturing buildings is very historic.

It truly is the Rust Belt.
You'd think with all that superior education they'd be able to figure out how to compete with a bunch of Chinese peasants and prevent the rust belt. They boast of upward mobility and education but look at Detroit and Chiraq, lol.
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