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Old 09-26-2014, 03:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
He left where he worked and drove to another office.
He could have very well had his own weapon.

Partially severed or completely severed..does it really matter ?
A Muslim convert beheading people and it's now happening in America.
The knife he had was the kind used at the food processing plant, where he worked. It's in the police report.

The degree of severance matters because it goes to what his intent was. Since he hasn't been questioned, we don't know what his intent was. And he may not be willing to tell us what his intent was.

I'm certainly not willing to condemn an entire religion, a religion followed by much of the world, because of the actions of one man who may or may not have had any religious motive.

 
Old 09-26-2014, 03:37 PM
 
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More assumptions on your part.

The police said her head was severed, not "completely severed".

Due to the nature of the crime (a violent workplace attack) they were asking the FBI to get involved.

I'm not dismissing anything. I'm pointing out that we currently do not know if religion played any role in this attack at all.

But Islam-bashers are so entrenched in their hatred, they refuse to acknowledge that. Instead, they'd rather jump on their Islam-bashing train, blame the violence on a religion.

UPS employee gets fired, goes on a rampage.

Vaughn Foods employee gets fired, goes on a rampage. But it must be jihad at Vaughn Foods, because the black guy with religious tattoos just recently converted to Islam.

It couldn't be, unstable men, get fired, go on workplace rampages.
Just because some of us are very concerned with the violence entrenched in, supported by and encouraged by the Muslim faith does not make us Islam bashers. Jesus calls us to love one another, even those who hate us. But that doesn't mean we should stop using our brains or thrust our heads into the sand.

And you conveniently left out the part about the beheading in your comparison. Beheading sends a message. From the Catholic Online:

"We are dealing with terrorism and the point of terrorism is spectacle. It's a way for those who feel disenfranchised to get their message noticed around the world. Historically terrorists hijacked airliners, performed car bombings, and suicide bombings. Within the past decade, beheading has become a way for terrorists to force their message back into the public spotlight.

The change in tactics is required because car bombings and suicide bombings have become cliche. They're so commonplace the media has stopped reporting on them in any detail. As for airliners, they've become very difficult to hijack so such deeds have become rare.

However, beheading has a gruesome allure that practically compels people to watch. The viewing of an execution or a killing has an illicit allure to people and even in a society steeped in violent media on the television and in computer games, nothing beats the real thing. It's a gruesome critique of our modern civilization that footage showing the horror of death in graphic detail is widely consumed."

We will just have to wait and see if the beheading was unintentional. The odds of physics are against that.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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Do you say that every time a Muslim commits an act of jihad? It's just an isolated incident. Well, some of us are not so blind to see our world as a collection of isolated incidents having nothing relevant to do with one another. There are connections between events in our world, whether you wish to see them or not.
I say that every time an individual Muslim commits an act of violence, because that act may have nothing to do with religion.

Just like when a Christian commits an act of violence, it may have nothing to do with his religious beliefs. In the United States, that's a lot of Christian's committing acts of violence. We don't bash Christianity because of it (well, I do blame the system of patriarchy for a lot of the violence, and of course all the Abraham-based religions are very patriarchal).
 
Old 09-26-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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Just because some of us are very concerned with the violence entrenched in, supported by and encouraged by the Muslim faith does not make us Islam bashers. Jesus calls us to love one another, even those who hate us. But that doesn't mean we should stop using our brains or thrust our heads into the sand.

And you conveniently left out the part about the beheading in your comparison. Beheading sends a message. From the Catholic Online:

"We are dealing with terrorism and the point of terrorism is spectacle. It's a way for those who feel disenfranchised to get their message noticed around the world. Historically terrorists hijacked airliners, performed car bombings, and suicide bombings. Within the past decade, beheading has become a way for terrorists to force their message back into the public spotlight.

The change in tactics is required because car bombings and suicide bombings have become cliche. They're so commonplace the media has stopped reporting on them in any detail. As for airliners, they've become very difficult to hijack so such deeds have become rare.

However, beheading has a gruesome allure that practically compels people to watch. The viewing of an execution or a killing has an illicit allure to people and even in a society steeped in violent media on the television and in computer games, nothing beats the real thing. It's a gruesome critique of our modern civilization that footage showing the horror of death in graphic detail is widely consumed."

We will just have to wait and see if the beheading was unintentional. The odds of physics are against that.
I'm fine with let's wait and see.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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It doesn't have to be a machete. The kind of knives in food processing plants are often designed to cut through tissue and bone quite easily. We aren't talking about a steak knife here. And we don't know that her head was completely severed.
I did not write that it had to be a machete. And those food processing plant knives are used with a deliberate swing or chop action (not a stabbing action) with the intention of severing the meat/bone aspects. As I wrote. Please see below.

Originally Posted by Jumpindogs
There was certainly more to this than stabbing her in the neck so hard that her head was severed from her body. Cannot be done unless the weapon is a machete or something similar and then that's a deliberate swing or chop action, not a stabbing.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 03:47 PM
 
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I have been telling people for years, get a gun, get trained in how to use it and when you can legally use it, get a permit to carry the darn thing, and continue with the training and keeping up with the laws. Some laugh, others take the advise seriously. Never know when you will need one, and now, even more so.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 03:47 PM
 
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It doesn't have to be a machete. The kind of knives in food processing plants are often designed to cut through tissue and bone quite easily. We aren't talking about a steak knife here. And we don't know that her head was completely severed.
So you think it was just a "little bit severed" ?
Even if it was still attached somewhat..he tried to cut off her head which is way different than slashing a throat.

And connected to religion ?
Well all we hear about is the extremists over in the ME BEHEADING people on film and then releasing it to the public.

Even the FBI got called in because the dots are there and could have a possible connection.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 03:47 PM
 
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I did not write that it had to be a machete. And those food processing plant knives are used with a deliberate swing or chop action (not a stabbing action) with the intention of severing the meat/bone aspects. As I wrote. Please see below.

Originally Posted by Jumpindogs
There was certainly more to this than stabbing her in the neck so hard that her head was severed from her body. Cannot be done unless the weapon is a machete or something similar and then that's a deliberate swing or chop action, not a stabbing.
And this guy had a food processing plant knife that he presumably worked with, was practiced with. In a frenzy, stabbing someone in the neck repeatedly, who's to say what his intention was, other than to kill his victim?
 
Old 09-26-2014, 03:51 PM
 
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So you think it was just a "little bit severed" ?
Even if it was still attached somewhat..he tried to cut off her head which is way different than slashing a throat.

And connected to religion ?
Well all we hear about is the extremists over in the ME BEHEADING people on film and then releasing it to the public.

Even the FBI got called in because the dots are there and could have a possible connection.
I don't know what it was.

What about the woman who beheaded her child because the devil told her to do it?

What about the man in Canada?

What about the numerous serial killers who've beheaded their victims?

The FBI got called in because (1) they often are called in in cases of workplace violence; (2) this crime was particularly heinous; (3) the Moore PD might not have the investigative experience and knowledge that the FBI has, and it's important to the city of Moore that a comprehensive, no-stone-left-unturned investigation happen so that this person will be brought to full justice.
 
Old 09-26-2014, 03:51 PM
 
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Society can break down within 24 hours. Its an illusion. Ask any good survival expert, or anyone interested in the topic.

If we lost electricity, nationwide, for more then a day or two, see how quickly things revert to our more animalistic tendencies.

Look at New Orleans after Katrina as an example.
You don't even have to use Katrina. You can use the NYC Blackout of 1977. Looting and rioting nearly immediately. Power was restored the next day, but rioting and looting took place right after the power went out.
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