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I consider myself a skeptic, but I'm one of the few who's still indecisive on whether climate change is 1. a big issue, 2. real, and 3. warrants urgent response
I consider myself a skeptic, but I'm one of the few who's still indecisive on whether climate change is 1. a big issue, 2. real, and 3. warrants urgent response
By the way, I don't like Molyneux. He's an ideologue. But the guy interviewed is enlightening.
A changing climate only becomes a "big deal" when one does not adapt to those changes, whatever they may be. That "big deal" is also known as "extinction."
Yes, climate change is very real. In fact you will be hard pressed to find climate static anywhere on the planet. Climate changes continuously.
It certainly warrants a response, namely that we adapt to the changing climate. How urgently you wish to adapt is entirely up to you.
There is no need for panic. We are certainly not going to be plunged into massive glaciation or a species-killing heat wave by next Thursday, and even if we did, there is not a damn thing we can do to prevent it.
I think Global Warming should be banished to it's own category.
What is being discussed here has more to do with either controversial politics or religion than it has to do with actual science. AGW fanatics consider "the science is settled," remember? Which means that AGW has now become their religion - science be damned.
The goal of AGW fanatics is to destroy the world economy with their redistribution of wealth schemes and the furtherance of their Marxist agenda. Which puts it squarely in the "Politics and Other Controversies" category.
Which is why the last place you will find an AGW thread is in the Science forum.
I consider myself a skeptic, but I'm one of the few who's still indecisive on whether climate change is 1. a big issue, 2. real, and 3. warrants urgent response
A physics professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and self-described global warming "skeptic" has just completed a major global temperature study, concluding that the world has been warming by 1 C since the mid-1950s.
Richard Muller, scientific director of the California-based, Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Project admits he is now a "global warming convert."
In a twist, the study was partly funded by the Charles Koch Foundation.
Charles Koch is a U.S. billionaire industrialist who, according to Environment Canada, just happens to own the largest greenhouse gas-polluting facility in Manitoba: the Koch fertilizer plant in Brandon.
A physics professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and self-described global warming "skeptic" has just completed a major global temperature study, concluding that the world has been warming by 1 C since the mid-1950s.
Richard Muller, scientific director of the California-based, Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Project admits he is now a "global warming convert."
In a twist, the study was partly funded by the Charles Koch Foundation.
Charles Koch is a U.S. billionaire industrialist who, according to Environment Canada, just happens to own the largest greenhouse gas-polluting facility in Manitoba: the Koch fertilizer plant in Brandon.
Wow! So if Koch had funded a study that were skeptical and someone pasted it here, you would be one of the first to offer up a rabid, spittle-flecked diatribe about how it can't be trusted and it was bogus.
Love how that works
I consider myself a skeptic, but I'm one of the few who's still indecisive on whether climate change is 1. a big issue, 2. real, and 3. warrants urgent response
By the way, I don't like Molyneux. He's an ideologue. But the guy interviewed is enlightening.
I just finished watching the video.
I agree with you about Molyneux. I have no idea who he is, but he is certainly an ideologue in this video. While I certainly agree with Dr. Patrick Moore's overall assessment, there are two issues which I felt required clarification.
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1:38 - 2:00 Where Dr. Moore points out that the mean surface temperature of the planet has been 22°C over most of the last 540 billion years, and the current mean surface temperature of the planet is now 14.5°C (it is actually 14.8°C, but that is nit-picking). He says that "it is much closer to an ice-age now." In fact, we are still in an ice-age, and have been for the last 2.58 million years.
An ice-age is defined by continual ice at the poles. The last time both poles were free of ice was 2.58 million years ago. What we are experiencing, for the last 15,000 years, has been the Holocene Interglacial Period. Interglacial periods occur during ice-ages when the planet temporarily warms up for a few thousand years before plummeting back down into another ~100,000 year period of glaciation.
There have been several interglacial periods during the current ice-age, many of them much warmer than the Holocene Interglacial Period has been thus far.
4:34 - 4:47
When Dr. Moore states that the optimum CO2 levels for plant growth is 1,500 ppm. Recent studies have shown that CO2 levels in the range of 800 ppm to 1,200 ppm is ideal for plant growth, and when CO2 levels get above ~2,000 ppm it can inhibit growth in some plants (such as wheat). By "inhibit" I do not mean stunted growth, I mean wheat will begin losing its nutritional value if CO2 levels are too high.
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Keep in mind also that to be "science" it requires a testable hypothesis. When a hypothesis fails its tests, or if those tests cannot be verified, then the scientific theory must either be revised or discarded. Thus far, every climate computer model ever created in the last 30 years has failed to accurately predict climate changes.
Hell, we cannot even predict the local climate accurately more than a day or two in advance, and they expect us to believe they can predict the global climate decades from now? Seriously?
Except for what I pointed out above, I am in complete agreement with everything Dr. Moore said.
Last edited by Glitch; 09-29-2014 at 10:53 PM..
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