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Old 10-05-2014, 07:55 PM
 
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Comprehending is not a failure for Europeans as they've had WAY more revolutions than you have. And they've also been a nation of hunters before yours was able to eat red meat. They do not think you all open carry and for you to suggest they do shows how little you know about any other country.

They do not feel the need or the desire to carry around a panacea for a non-existent fear over a as yet non-manifested occurrence of violence against their person.

Cradle to grave lifestyle, whooha! What do you call your welfare, medicare, Medicaid, EBT cards, ObamaPhones, the VA, even the nonsense of sub-prime mortgage rates that caused the global meltdown was due to your love affair with a the so-called "cradle to grave" lifestyle. The OTHER countries did not arrange "special" mortgages for people who could not afford to buy homes.

The other countries have all sustained terrorist attacks, in some cases whole decades before your terrible one, but are not running around like chicken little creating one agency after another, all bent on the abrogation of their civil liberties while selling them bullcrap on the premise it makes them feel safer.

C'mon here; if ever there would be a post better characterized as the pot calling the kettle black; it's yet to be written.
Like I posted Its the accessibility to firearms is the important issue here. Most people in American do not open carry unless there is a life threating issue. Europe will never understand American for the freedoms we earned protecting Europe and split American Blood.

Life, Liberty and Right to pursue Happiness! Its still here and once again the citizens will fight for them.

Cradle to grave yes Europe there and it is accepted as common place. Where are the Conservatives in Europe?
It is sad our current US President believes in Big Gov, bur at least there are those of us who speak and try to vote out the so called "Servants to the People" American can replace Welfare, EBT cards and the host other so called benefits with Strong Industry and a Practical business environment.

Sadly other believe in Cradle to Grave. I do not think Europe can turn back because of such a high dependency on big Gov.

I have friends in Belgium, Spain and I actually lived in Germany. I have seen it first had.

A healthy respect for firearms keeps the bad guys away, who does not care about anyone's law!

 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:03 PM
 
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Is it so? Can you name any?
Here's an interesting article:

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Gun crimes drop at Virginia bars and restaurants - Richmond Times-Dispatch: Archive

Virginia's bars and restaurants did not turn into shooting galleries as some had feared during the first year of a new state law that allows patrons with permits to carry concealed guns into alcohol-serving businesses, a Richmond Times-Dispatch analysis found.

The number of major crimes involving firearms at bars and restaurants statewide declined 5.2 percent from July 1, 2010, to June 30, 2011, compared with the fiscal year before the law went into effect, according to crime data compiled by Virginia State Police at the newspaper's request.


And overall, the crimes that occurred during the law's first year were relatively minor, and few of the incidents appeared to involve gun owners with concealed-carry permits, the analysis found.
Law abiding citizens continued being law abiding citizens and criminals continued being criminals.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:05 PM
 
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Here's an interesting article:

That's a newspaper article, you mentioned studies, can you name any?
 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:07 PM
 
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That's a newspaper article, you mentioned studies, came you name any?
I mentioned no such thing. It's an analysis of the numbers provided by the Virginia State Police, are you disputing the numbers?
 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:27 PM
 
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Why do conservatives always pretend that America is any different than other countries? Do you think America is so much different than Canada or Australia?
Pretend? America is different. That's a fact. Demographically, America is not similar to those other countries. That's indisputable. The majority of homicides in America are committed by Blacks. If you looked at the homicide rates for just Whites in America, then compared to those other countries, it's not that high. Canada and Australia both have large non-White populations, but they are mainly Asians. Asians in America have historically low crime rates and presently have a violent crime rate 1/4 that of Whites. I would assume it's similar in Canada and Australia. In America, Blacks have a violent crime rate 28 times higher than Asians.
To ignore these glaring differences is ridiculous. You are the one pretending here.

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Is it so? Can you name any?
Crime Rates in Chicago Plummet After IL Implements Concealed Carry | Ben Swann Truth In Media

Gun Control: Myths and Realities | Cato Institute

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But this is true for every country, including Canada and Australia. How is it different in the US?

Because Canada which has strict gun control has also an extremely porous border with the US but its homicide rate that is four time lower than ours.
Australia doesn't share a land border with any other country. And as already stated, Canada does not have the same demographics as the United States. Access to guns is not the issue. It's the percentage of the population that is criminally violent that is the issue.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:33 PM
 
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1st off, if we cared what Brits thought about gun control, we wouldn't have left their asses 240 years ago.

2nd, without our guns we never could have beat their tyrannical butts back across the pond. There's no logical reason for them to support us having guns after we used them to humiliate their country.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:34 PM
 
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No, i am disputing the methodology of the analysis. You're posting a newspaper articles... How about the actual scientific studies?

1) National Physician Alliance: http://npalliance.org/wp-content/upl...ort-092513.pdf

2) Harvard School of Public Health: Homicide | Harvard Injury Control Research Center | Harvard School of Public Health

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I mentioned no such thing. It's an analysis of the numbers provided by the Virginia State Police, are you disputing the numbers?
 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:38 PM
 
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Pretend? America is different. That's a fact.
But even at that America is not unique as EVERY COUNTRY IS DIFFERENT. There are no two countries exactly the same.


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Demographically, America is not similar to those other countries. That's indisputable. The majority of homicides in America are committed by Blacks.
Do you have a source on this or just a gut feeling?


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If you looked at the homicide rates for just Whites in America, then compared to those other countries, it's not that high.
Do you have a source?


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Australia doesn't share a land border with any other country. And as already stated, Canada does not have the same demographics as the United States. Access to guns is not the issue. It's the percentage of the population that is criminally violent that is the issue.

So in other words if it wasn't for the Blacks America would not have such high crime rates including homicide rate. Is that your conclusion?
 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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Speak for yourself please. Many Americans agree with the British and Europeans regarding their distaste for our cowboy gun culture.
Yes, we know that there are Americans who are babies and want a nanny all their life.

I'm not one of them.

Nor are most of us.

Thank GOD!
 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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But even at that America is not unique as EVERY COUNTRY IS DIFFERENT. There are no two countries exactly the same.

Do you have a source on this or just a gut feeling?
Is that even a serious question? It's well known that Blacks in America commit the majority of murder and violent crime.

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data

Of the offenders for whom race was known, 52.4 percent were black, 45.2 percent were white, and 2.4 percent were of other races.


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So in other words if it wasn't for the Blacks America would not have such high crime rates including homicide rate. Is that your conclusion?
That is what the facts show. What conclusion would you come to?
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