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Old 10-15-2014, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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GOP Laissez-Faire policies created the Depression of 2008-2009 (my Term). Bush and his policies are well outlined in many books, going back to then Gov. Bush and the failure of Enron. Texas still has those issues today with a lack of oversite on business.

The GOP policy of dont worry the market will fix all is a failure. GOP candidates are now talking about Coolidge and his policy of do nothing, followed by Harding who allowed the country to slide into the Great Depression because he did nothing.

The current members of the GOP house have shown they want to do nothing.

Pres. Obama has done a great job with Healthcare, keeping taxes down for the majority of the country, lowering the budget deficit and keeping our ground troops out of the mess called the middle east.

 
Old 10-15-2014, 07:57 AM
 
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GOP Laissez-Faire policies created the Depression of 2008-2009 (my Term). Bush and his policies are well outlined in many books, going back to then Gov. Bush and the failure of Enron. Texas still has those issues today with a lack of oversite on business.

The GOP policy of dont worry the market will fix all is a failure. GOP candidates are now talking about Coolidge and his policy of do nothing, followed by Harding who allowed the country to slide into the Great Depression because he did nothing.

The current members of the GOP house have shown they want to do nothing.

Pres. Obama has done a great job with Healthcare, keeping taxes down for the majority of the country, lowering the budget deficit and keeping our ground troops out of the mess called the middle east.
Actually no..

but hey, it sounds great to those who are dumb...

lets start here..

What Bush policies caused the crash? I'll wait while you google for some left wing kook theories
 
Old 10-15-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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But wait... the financial crash that put so many people in the same position as you was a product of Republican policies that dismantled the protections put in place after the last Depression... and set in motion the next one.
Complete nonsense. The policies that led to the recession, even according to liberals, were deregulation of banks and the housing market crash with subprime loans. Both of those policies were put into place by the Clinton administration. Not Republicans. You're either ignorant or lying.
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The big banks were cut loose to do pretty much whatever they wanted, and the Bush administration pushed the idea that every American should own their own home, which turned into the huge default mess that gutted Middle America, and handed their money over to the already wealthy.
It wasn't Republicans that did that, genius. It was President Clinton, a Democrat. He had his Attorney General, Janet Reno, threaten to take banks to court if they didn't loosen lending requirements. Get your facts right.
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And let's not forget that the Republicans drove us into a huge, expensive war under false pretenses and on credit, turning a large surplus into a deficit.
And while we're not forgetting that, let's not forget that the majority of Democrats voted for that war. Let's also not forget that President Obama declared that war an amazing success.
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So this is what President Obama walked into... a country absolutely ruined by Republican policies... and you expected... what?
How about expecting him to do what he promised? Return the unemployment levels to pre-recession levels by the end of his first term, cut the deficit in half, close Gitmo, reset relations with Russia, reform the energy industry, etc. Did he do any of that? No, he did not.
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And in the face of a no longer loyal opposition, but an actual obstruction, driven by an ideologically radical fringe with a "burn it to the ground" mentality, you expected the President to be able to do... what?
I expected him to not alienate the political opposition by blaming them for everything wrong in the country. Just look at your own remarks. What conservative on the planet would be loyal to you after all your trash talking?

He blamed Republicans for the economy going into the ditch even though the polices that drove it into the ditch were started by Democrats and the Democrats controlled both Houses for 2 years prior to his election. He rejected Republicans' input in a nationally televised meeting on health care, and the Democrats in Congress rejected the Republican health care reforms, and then he went on television and announced that the Republicans had no solutions. He blamed the credit downgrade on the Tea Party even after the credit agency itself said that wasn't why they downgraded the credit rating. He called Republicans racists who didn't respond to Katrina fast enough, even though it was a black Democrat mayor in New Orleans who delayed the response, then he turned around and did nothing for weeks about the Gulf oil spill. His administration submitted the sequestration plans and he announced he'd veto any attempt to get around them, and then he blamed Republicans for sequestration. He got Obamacare passed without a single Republican vote by abusing Senate procedural tricks, and then when the rollout failed he blamed Republicans for it. He blamed Fast & Furious on the Bush administration, then it turned out that was false as it started under his own administration, and then said that Holder knew nothing about it, and that turned out to be false too when a memo surfaced with Holder's name on it. The Republicans sent over 4 separate continuing resolutions to fund the government and the Democrats rejected them all, then Obama blamed the government shutdown on Republicans.

Wake up to reality. The reason the Republicans didn't work with Obama is because he never sought their cooperation. All he did was scapegoat them.
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Stop and think.
The irony of you telling someone to stop and think after the parade of misinformation and misrepresentation in this post is so thick you couldn't cut it with a chainsaw.
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Who REALLY made out financially due to the economic recovery? It was the wealthy, who became more wealthy. Over the last few years we've seen an astonishing transfer of wealth to the already wealthy, leaving the rest of us the poorer, in every way. That's what the Republicans gave us. The giant sucking sound we heard was all the money being hoovered off to the right. How could ANYONE ever forget that?
In order to "forget" that, it would have to be true. It isn't. Who bailed out those giant corporations? Obama. Who never prosecuted any of those bankers? Obama. Who made the leader of his jobs council a man who offshored 30,000 jobs to China? Obama. Who made an investment banker his Secretary of the Treasury? Obama.

Look at the facts instead of at rhetoric. What you're saying is complete hogwash. You say the wealthy made out in the economic recovery and called the Republicans obstructionists. So by your own words the recovery that benefited the rich was managed by Obama and opposed by Republicans. But then you want to blame Republicans for it.
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And they're fighting like crazy... and donating huge sums of money, the kind that totally distort political campaigns, to try and keep it that way.
Again, try facts instead of rhetoric. Check the campaign finance records before spouting ignorant nonsense. The Democrats received far more funding than the Republicans. Obama received 7% more donations of $1 million or more and 5% more donations of $100k from Super PACs -- the very thing that liberal rhetoric says is distorting campaigns in favor of Republicans. The actual truth is the opposite of what the Democrats say it is.
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Blaming Obama because he wasn't able to singlehandedly overcome their big shut-out game makes no sense at all. No President is Superman, and we shouldn't expect them to be.
It absolutely does make sense. Every president in the past two decades has been faced with an opposition congress. Every president in the past two decades worked with that opposition congress. Except Obama.

You can whine and cry about Republican obstructionists all you want, but facts are facts. What's changed in the past 20 years? The entire Republican Party or Obama? 1 man newly elected or hundreds of people most of which were in office for years prior to his election? The whole "Republican obstructionist" thing plays well for liberal emotions, but it strains rational credibility.
 
Old 10-16-2014, 03:19 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Complete nonsense. The policies that led to the recession, even according to liberals, were deregulation of banks and the housing market crash with subprime loans. Both of those policies were put into place by the Clinton administration. Not Republicans. You're either ignorant or lying.
It wasn't Republicans that did that, genius. It was President Clinton, a Democrat. He had his Attorney General, Janet Reno, threaten to take banks to court if they didn't loosen lending requirements. Get your facts right.
And while we're not forgetting that, let's not forget that the majority of Democrats voted for that war. Let's also not forget that President Obama declared that war an amazing success.
How about expecting him to do what he promised? Return the unemployment levels to pre-recession levels by the end of his first term, cut the deficit in half, close Gitmo, reset relations with Russia, reform the energy industry, etc. Did he do any of that? No, he did not.
I expected him to not alienate the political opposition by blaming them for everything wrong in the country. Just look at your own remarks. What conservative on the planet would be loyal to you after all your trash talking?

He blamed Republicans for the economy going into the ditch even though the polices that drove it into the ditch were started by Democrats and the Democrats controlled both Houses for 2 years prior to his election. He rejected Republicans' input in a nationally televised meeting on health care, and the Democrats in Congress rejected the Republican health care reforms, and then he went on television and announced that the Republicans had no solutions. He blamed the credit downgrade on the Tea Party even after the credit agency itself said that wasn't why they downgraded the credit rating. He called Republicans racists who didn't respond to Katrina fast enough, even though it was a black Democrat mayor in New Orleans who delayed the response, then he turned around and did nothing for weeks about the Gulf oil spill. His administration submitted the sequestration plans and he announced he'd veto any attempt to get around them, and then he blamed Republicans for sequestration. He got Obamacare passed without a single Republican vote by abusing Senate procedural tricks, and then when the rollout failed he blamed Republicans for it. He blamed Fast & Furious on the Bush administration, then it turned out that was false as it started under his own administration, and then said that Holder knew nothing about it, and that turned out to be false too when a memo surfaced with Holder's name on it. The Republicans sent over 4 separate continuing resolutions to fund the government and the Democrats rejected them all, then Obama blamed the government shutdown on Republicans.

Wake up to reality. The reason the Republicans didn't work with Obama is because he never sought their cooperation. All he did was scapegoat them.
The irony of you telling someone to stop and think after the parade of misinformation and misrepresentation in this post is so thick you couldn't cut it with a chainsaw.
In order to "forget" that, it would have to be true. It isn't. Who bailed out those giant corporations? Obama. Who never prosecuted any of those bankers? Obama. Who made the leader of his jobs council a man who offshored 30,000 jobs to China? Obama. Who made an investment banker his Secretary of the Treasury? Obama.

Look at the facts instead of at rhetoric. What you're saying is complete hogwash. You say the wealthy made out in the economic recovery and called the Republicans obstructionists. So by your own words the recovery that benefited the rich was managed by Obama and opposed by Republicans. But then you want to blame Republicans for it.
Again, try facts instead of rhetoric. Check the campaign finance records before spouting ignorant nonsense. The Democrats received far more funding than the Republicans. Obama received 7% more donations of $1 million or more and 5% more donations of $100k from Super PACs -- the very thing that liberal rhetoric says is distorting campaigns in favor of Republicans. The actual truth is the opposite of what the Democrats say it is.
It absolutely does make sense. Every president in the past two decades has been faced with an opposition congress. Every president in the past two decades worked with that opposition congress. Except Obama.

You can whine and cry about Republican obstructionists all you want, but facts are facts. What's changed in the past 20 years? The entire Republican Party or Obama? 1 man newly elected or hundreds of people most of which were in office for years prior to his election? The whole "Republican obstructionist" thing plays well for liberal emotions, but it strains rational credibility.


Very well stated, and yes agree.
 
Old 10-16-2014, 05:34 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Barack Obama "has emerged as one of the most consequential and, yes, successful presidents in American history."




Don't they know you go to hell for lying??
 
Old 10-16-2014, 06:34 PM
 
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Krugman is a hypocrite and an idiot.

Always has been.

A true Obamabot.
 
Old 10-16-2014, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Orlando
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Unfortunately he's has two more years to transform America into a third world banana republic
Then you must have been mortified when Bush shammed the 2000 election. Talk about a banana republic!
 
Old 10-16-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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The Marxist Roots of Obama’s War on the Middle Class | FrontPage Magazine
 
Old 10-16-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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Then you must have been mortified when Bush shammed the 2000 election. Talk about a banana republic!

Yes, talk about a banana republic. Obama is taking us directly there. Forget about Bush, he has been gone over 6 years.
 
Old 10-16-2014, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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In an article that is bound to please some, baffle others, and infuriate many here, Nobel Prize winning economist and Professor of Economics at Princeton University, Paul Krugman, not always a fan of Barack Obama, has lobbed a bombshell into the political arena with his analysis of the effects of the President's administration so far.

In an extensive article in Rolling Stone Magazine this week, Krugman makes the case that despite the unfavorable public opinion polls, Barack Obama "has emerged as one of the most consequential and, yes, successful presidents in American history."

Among his key accomplishments, says Krugman, based on detailed analysis of the economy...



I don't know how far this analysis will penetrate into the conservative echo chambers, but among free thinkers it should be a welcome respite from the extreme partisan rhetoric which has largely replaced civil discourse and debate and crippled our ability nationally to find the points of mutual of interest and compromise which allowed for workability in the past.

What Krugman points out is that in the face of all the assembled opposition, President Obama has accomplished a great deal more than he's generally acknowledged for.

And he's not over yet.
If destroying America qualifies as being the "most successful president" than I agree.

Seriously though, America has gotten worse since he became president. He'll probably go down as one of the worst presidents of all time. It's really a shame because we probably won't see another Black president for a very long time due to his incompetency as a president.
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