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Old 10-26-2014, 08:01 AM
 
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Not long after it hit Dallas we were issued individual PPE that was not used on a regular basis but shared and utilized as the need arose for certain tasks.

As a precaution but not a bad idea anytime even against flu as it was face protection.
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Old 10-26-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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Will the Federal Govt notify the states of NY and NJ everytime someone arrives at their airports from the affected African region?
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Old 10-26-2014, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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Very interesting article -
Inside the Ebola Wars
From the article: "As Ebola enters a deepening relationship with the human species, the question of how it is mutating has significance for every person on earth."
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Old 10-26-2014, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Cuomo and Christie's pandering to ignorance and fear will be short lived. The NY,NJ quarantines are coming under fire from the people who are forced into quarantine, the volunteer agencies and the health care experts. It is likely that a court is going to order them stopped as it is hard to show there is a legitimate state interest in detaining persons when medical opinion says there is none.
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:11 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Cuomo and Christie's pandering to ignorance and fear will be short lived. The NY,NJ quarantines are coming under fire from the people who are forced into quarantine, the volunteer agencies and the health care experts. It is likely that a court is going to order them stopped as it is hard to show there is a legitimate state interest in detaining persons when medical opinion says there is none.
There is no state interest in protecting people from ebola? I'm sure the state has it's own medical experts who will testify in its defense.
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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The NY,NJ quarantines are coming under fire from the people who are forced into quarantine,
I would think those individuals that are giving/caring to provide help to others for no compensation would be the last to complain about a quarantine upon return to a country which is trying to keep the same thing from happening here. Even if the odds are very low of spreading the virus, why take a chance and why not err on the side of caution? There are many unknowns here with this virus and the "experts" can't know the current status/every last detail on how the virus is morphing.
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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There is no state interest in protecting people from ebola? I'm sure the state has it's own medical experts who will testify in its defense.
The quarantine is overreaction. As the Spencer case clearly demonstrates, monitoring is sufficient to protect the public without imprisoning the volunteers. We can't let our fears make our decisions. NY, and NJ are wrong and the courts will agree. Wait and see...
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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OK, I'm back. In the three days I was gone, a lot has happened on the Ebola scene. At first, I was going to drop the "CDC blamed the nurses" issue, because it was contentious and seemed kind of over with. But then, two things happened.

One, Craig Spencer, MD, came down with Ebola after traveling around NYC, including going bowling, for a couple of days while feeling "under the weather" before his temperature spiked and he was officially diagnosed with Ebola. No one at the CDC, let alone the head honcho Dr. Frieden, made any statements about any breaches in protocol Dr. Spencer must have committed, and/or his travels in public, including on public transportation prior to his diagnosis.

Two, on Friday evening NPR did a story about the CDC's blaming the nurses.
Was CDC Too Quick To Blame Dallas Nurses In Care Of Ebola Patient? : NPR

Amber Vinson is apparently highly p*ssed off at the CDC and is planning to hire an attorney. Here is a snippet: "The next day, Frieden said he'd gotten an "earful" from nurses around the country about his comments."

Ya think?

News agencies from the far right wing World News Daily: CDC still blaming Dallas nurse for Ebola infection
to the merely right wing Fox: Dr. Manny to CDC: Don
to the more neutral Reuters: U.S. CDC head criticized for blaming 'protocol breach' as nurse gets Ebola | Reuters
to the "liberal NPR" (above)
all the way to the far-left Daily Kos: Blame the nurse for contracting Ebola? hah!

seem to think Frieden was blaming nurses. So do many nurses.

Now for some humor about this, see this link:
Who To Blame When You Get Ebola: A CDC Guide For Healthcare Workers
Please note, it is satire.
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:32 PM
 
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There is no state interest in protecting people from ebola? I'm sure the state has it's own medical experts who will testify in its defense.
If Obummer successfully starts an Ebola epidemic in America, he can be charged with crimes against humanity. Like the Nazis.
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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In regards to the issue of "what is an epidemic" here is the PUBLIC HEALTH definition:

Definitions
"11. Epidemic—The occurrence in a community or region of cases of an illness (or an outbreak) with a frequency clearly in excess of normal expectancy. The number of cases indicating presence of an epidemic will vary according to the infectious agent, size and type of population exposed, previous experience or lack of exposure to the disease, and time and place of occurrence; epidemicity is thus relative to usual frequency of the disease in the same area, among the specified population, at the same season of the year. A single case of a communicable disease long absent from a population or the first invasion by a disease not previously recognized in that area requires immediate reporting and epidemiologic investigation; two cases of such a disease associated in time and place are sufficient evidence of transmission to be considered an epidemic. (See Report of a Disease)"

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