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Old 10-15-2014, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The protocols worked where they were applied. Dallas failed to follow them. They left the guy in a back room for hours, sent contaminated samples through the tubes. Did you even read the nurses' report? It is a textbook case on how NOT to manage Ebola. This hospital should be put out of business and probably will be after all the lawsuits they are going to get. You can't make excuses by conjecture of what might have happened in another hospital.
The nurses were not trained nor had the right gear to stay safe. The CDC said that collectively "we" were ready. The nurses said clearly they were NOT. Now who do you think was in la la land?
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I wonder when we'll have the "expert" on who can teach people about the term exponential.

Health worker flew day before Ebola symptoms - CNN.com

1 exposes 132, now those 132 came in contact with "X" many in their lives, etc.

I like this part:

"The October 13 flight was cleaned thoroughly after it landed, "per our normal procedures which is consistent with CDC guidelines," the airline said. After the airline was informed of the Ebola patient, the plane was removed from service."

CDC guidelines?


"U.S. President Barack Obama says he'll reach out directly to heads of state to encourage other countries to do more to fight back."

Good grief.
I read an article a few days ago about cleaning planes.
Those workers have 5-10 minutes to completely clean the inside.
They are under the gun to get in and out quick.
Did CDC guidelines change that at all I wonder......
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Listening to this man is like watching your gov't coo and sing pleasant notes into your ear while they drive the knife of denial into your heart. They were asked direct questions and failed to respond. Lots of cudos to the other agencies who are also lost in the mix. Why do you think the 2nd nurse is being transferred to Emory? She is very very symptomatic. They allowed her to travel before she had symptoms? She was allowed to travel.

Mistakes after mistakes after mistakes. Keep the masses satisfied.
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Listening to this man is like watching your gov't coo and sing pleasant notes into your ear while they drive the knife of denial into your heart. They were asked direct questions and failed to respond. Lots of cudos to the other agencies who are also lost in the mix. Why do you think the 2nd nurse is being transferred to Emory? She is very very symptomatic. They allowed her to travel before she had symptoms? She was allowed to travel.

Mistakes after mistakes after mistakes. Keep the masses satisfied.

Since the beginning, they've had White House Officals, and CDC reps get on TV and report conflicting stories...it is such a shame...no one knows what they are doing....
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Mistakes after mistakes after mistakes. Keep the masses satisfied.
Ain't that the truth.
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What you see in the Texas hospital is probably at all the other hospitals.
Here's an article about that.
My sister has told me the same thing. Inadequate training and no level 4 protective clothing.
Isolatioon is a room with a bathroom in it.



Nurses Say U.S. Hospitals Aren't Adequately Prepared To Handle Ebola Patients
Any hospital with a private room and bathroom is technically adequate for isolating and treating an Ebola patient, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But to truly remove the risk of contracting the deadly virus among health workers requires meticulous work and years of repetitive drills and practice, according to nurses on the ground who also say that they are not receiving the proper training to protect themselves and their communities.

"We’ve been asking for training for protocols and we have not gotten it,” said Katy Roemer, RN, a nurse at Kaiser Oakland and a member of National Nurses United. "Pieces of paper are being handed to us with minimal instructions on it, and it’s not adequate to deal with a virus like Ebola.”
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The nurses were not trained nor had the right gear to stay safe. The CDC said that collectively "we" were ready. The nurses said clearly they were NOT. Now who do you think was in la la land?
Texas health. They failed to recognize the disease and then did everything wrong that you possibly could. The CDC can only do so much. It is up to health providers to do the right thing when the time comes.
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:35 AM
 
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I work in a hospital's boiler room. We're in charge of the HVAC system as well as isolation room ventilation & testing. We've been coming up with plans in case we receive an Ebola patient. Without giving specific information, we have greater than ten isolation rooms with negative ventilation. We have plans to make modifications to one of the rooms specifically for Ebola. If we receive more than one Ebola patient, we!'really looking at specific plans involving an area for staff to remove protective garments safely before entering the general area. We have the capability to convert an entire patient wing (8 rooms or more) into an isolation wing. Before it comes to that level, patients would be moved to other facilities if available. For those who aren't familiar with isolation rooms, these are rooms set up with negative ventilation (more wire leaving than entering). This means air is sucked in under the door instead of coming out when the door is opened. Our isolation rooms have alarms outside the room and in our office computer notifying us if it falls out of negative pressure. As an added precaution, we test the room daily while a patient is in isolation. This will protect everyone who doesn't enter the room. The danger with Ebola isn't entering the room, it's leaving the room and removing the protective gear. It has to be put on and taken off in a specific order to maximize it's effectiveness. Complacency, lack of sleep, and being rushed are all ways in which mistakes can be made that could result in getting infected. Though a respirator isn't "required" you can't be denied a respirator or approved mask if you feel you need it.
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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So let me see if I'm up to speed. For the past few weeks we were told that West Africans from affected countries pose no risk to Americans. A simple questionnaire would prevent a sick Ebola patient from traveling to America. Yet one Liberian who didn't appear to be sick, lied on the questionnaire and traveled to Dallas. He falls ill, goes to the ER but is sent packing with some antibiotics. He returns two days later and it's only then that doctors put the pieces together that he has Ebola.

The CDC director says that America will contain the spread of Ebola. We have protocols in place that will see to that. A quarantine of family members is ordered. When asked whether a travel ban should be issued to prevent flights from the affected region in Africa, he curtly answers it's not necessary. We must stop the disease over there that's the only way Americans would be safe. Besides you can't get Ebola on a plane or through casual contact.

Fast forward two weeks later. The Liberian patient is dead and two nurses that treated him have contracted Ebola, one of whom appears to be very ill. One nurse flew to Ohio and back while showing no symptoms. Now the CDC is scrambling to locate fellow passengers and its director sheepishly admits she shouldn't have flown. Why not? I thought the disease couldn't be spread in planes or casual contact, so why the alarm? Americans can't fly within the country but West Africans can fly in from affected regions, what am I missing? I know I don't have a degree in diseases but something is amiss here.
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Texas health. They failed to recognize the disease and then did everything wrong that you possibly could. The CDC can only do so much. It is up to health providers to do the right thing when the time comes.
The CDC lied...The CDC also hinted they didn't want to jump the gun into training everyone in every hospital. They thought it would just stop from isolating each person who came into contact.. after that the CDC's brain stopped.
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