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I own an s-corp that has (for 5-ish more weeks) small group coverage, our policy renews on Dec 1st and I'm only letting one employee keep her insurance due to her accident prone nature. Curiously her premium dropped; every other persons increased. Odd because she was the heaviest user of healthcare.
I have to drop my myself and my families coverage. Yay?
We're probably switching to some high-deductible HSA plan since we have good cash reserves, but it's uncharted waters. I've always had "real" insurance my entire life.
The main upside with the HSA is reducing my taxable income down from the brutal 17.89% it's already at, so I get to screw the government out of taking more of my money, so theres always a silver lining.
Every right-wing doomsday scenario regarding Obamacare has so far been crushed by the mighty hammer of facts and reality. This latest one will be no different.
You used "Obamacare" and "facts and reality" in the same sentence.
You mean it fell from the end of 2013? I SAID THAT..
Why would you set post 2013 as a starting point? Thats pretty dumb because that means that PEOPLE LOST INSURANCE due to it.. and by using this as your starting point to indicate success, you are actually proving its failure
Again the CBO says we will NEVER get below 30 million uninsured.. Do you comprehend that?
Proof Surrogate Substituting a distracting comment for a real proof.
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Decoupling insurance from the workplace may be a good thing. More choices and one less barrier between a person and their doc.
Except that would be a Free Market reform which you oppose.
Don't forget your own government with the help of the American Hospital Association is the one that crow-barred health plan coverage onto the employers.
It's really amazing how quickly people forget.
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Tell you what, when Republicans want to join the vast majority of modern countries maybe they can suggest it.
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Soooo if it really is so horrible...why is it that we havent just gone universal healthcare like most developed countries.
You mean most developed cities?
Those "developed countries" are barely the size of US cities.
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Or is that idea somehow worse?
Worse than dying on a waiting list because government refuses to spend what healthcare costs and instead claims it spends less?
Lung cancer treatment waiting times and tumour growth.
Therefore, 21% of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list. This study demonstrates that, even for the select minority of patients who have specialist referral and are deemed suitable for potentially curative treatment, the outcome is prejudiced by waiting times that allow tumour progression.
apparently you are not being affected by this: well let me tell you, when small companies are dropping insurance for their employees and seniors are seeing their costs for supplementary insurance go way up or their deductibles go up, it is reality. Seniors are also seeing more procedures not being covered by medicare anymore.
Can always count on you for the gosh darn truth. Thank You, because what you stated! is actually happening to many I know. Businesses who are dropping health care for their employees, and yes they are a small business, just cannot do it anymore. And seniors are as of right now seeing their cost double. That ain't a lie, Some just like to paint a different picture, but you can't when reality TRUMPS the lies.
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