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Old 10-23-2014, 09:42 AM
 
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I agree. Not to mention Isis wants to suicide bomb american cities.
If you're not horrified and captivated, the media is failing at their job. Scaring people with Mexican drug lords is worn out, tired, and not all that effective. Jayvee Jihadis are way scarier right now, so go with the hot new talent instead of the old retreads.

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Old 10-23-2014, 09:50 AM
 
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That's more of a dea issue than a military issue. Bombing Mexico over a cartel doesn't make sense. The dea is to busy regulating hydrocodone to worry about the cartels.
I'm talking about targeting areas in Mexico that are held by the cartels for bombing, not just randomly dropping bombs on Mexico.

And again, the ISIS are no threat to any Americans, except the ones who are dumb enough to go over there. It's a warzone, and its their country. You enter their territory at your own risk. The only legitimate reason the US military would have for going after ISIS is if they were killing Americans on American soil, but that is not the case.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:58 AM
 
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I'm talking about targeting areas in Mexico that are held by the cartels for bombing, not just randomly dropping bombs on Mexico.

And again, the ISIS are no threat to any Americans, except the ones who are dumb enough to go over there. It's a warzone, and its their country. You enter their territory at your own risk. The only legitimate reason the US military would have for going after ISIS is if they were killing Americans on American soil, but that is not the case.

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Old 10-23-2014, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Mexican drug cartels are worse than ISIL | Al Jazeera America

Interesting article. It seems many Americans are not aware of the prevalence of Mexican drug cartel violence and beheadings-or at least choose to ignore it, like our media. The corporate media seems to have an agenda and stories are headlined to ensure it is followed.

Why are we giving so much free publicity and airtime to ISIL? Doesn't having the largest military superpower on Earth waging a war on ISIL give them all the credibility they need in the World of jihadists? Are we trying to funnel Islamic terrorists into one group or are we building up another formidable boogeyman ala Al Qaeda that will ensure decades of warfare for the war profiteers?

" In 2013 drug cartels murdered more than 16,000 people in Mexico alone, and another 60,000 from 2006 to 2012 — a rate of more than one killing every half hour for the last seven years. What is worse, these are estimates from the Mexican government, which is known to deflate the actual death toll by about 50 percent.

Statistics alone do not convey the depravity and threat of the cartels. They carry out hundreds of beheadings every year. In addition to decapitations, the cartels are known to dismember and otherwise mutilate the corpses of their victims — displaying piles of bodies prominently in towns to terrorize the public into compliance. They routinely target women and children to further intimidate communities. Like ISIL, the cartels use social media to post graphic images of their atrocious crimes."

So how exactly does ISIL pose a greater threat to Americans here in the US? Shouldn't we be more concerned with OUR OWN borders and the nations that BORDER us instead of the most historically violent region in the World thousands and thousands of Miles away? If we did not meddle in the affairs of foreign nations in the Middle East would Muslim extremists there be concerned with our country at all?

Does anyone honestly think if we only bomb a few hundred more civilians, occupy these Middle Eastern countries for just a few more years and spend just a few TRILLION more US Dollars we will defeat "terrorism"?
ISIL is in Mexico and when these demons join forces we will have a war on our border. But you can thank Obama for keeping the drug cartels in business and keeping our border wide open for a very large attack. When our police are afraid to even step foot on that side of the divide, we have lost already.
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Old 10-23-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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I'm talking about targeting areas in Mexico that are held by the cartels for bombing, not just randomly dropping bombs on Mexico.

And again, the ISIS are no threat to any Americans, except the ones who are dumb enough to go over there. It's a warzone, and its their country. You enter their territory at your own risk. The only legitimate reason the US military would have for going after ISIS is if they were killing Americans on American soil, but that is not the case.

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Old 10-23-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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I guess you think American tourists killed for not having ransom money or Police Officers investigating crime scenes, journalists reporting facts, children, etc. "got in the way". Lay off the media rhetoric-it's dangerous for you.

The Middle East would be of no threat to us if we were not invading and occupying. And even now, the threat is often fabricated and overstated. Our media is like the unofficial spokesperson for ISIL-making sure their message is available for all the World to hear.

The Mexican cartel business on the other hand is intertwined into the US and is reliant on our citizens for their profits.


Agree 100%. The amount of propaganda cranked out by the US media propaganda machine is so shrill and intense it is beyond absurd. I wonder if there's much difference between American media and the state-controlled media in China because they often sound so alike.
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Old 10-23-2014, 08:51 PM
 
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If it hurts the cartels by ending prohibition (which should have NEVER happened in the first place) and forces LE to focus on other more pressing issues, like violent crimes instead of someone consuming, possessing, or cultivating a plant without being prosecuted, then I'm all for it. Besides, who smokes Mexican weed anyway? It's crap! Everyone knows the best stuff is grown here in the US and Canada. Secondly, cannabis already is the largest cash crop in the US (bigger than corn and soybeans). History has shown that prohibition is a failure. We tried it with alcohol, and it didn't work.
Dude, I get what you're saying about ending prohibition of marijuana, but this is not a legalize marijuana thread. It's about Mexican cartels. Legalizing marijuana will hurt their business in one area, but it won't make them just go away. It would probably make them even more dangerous as they push more and more meth, heroine, and cocaine our way. That does not mean to say I would oppose other states legalizing marijuana if they choose to do so. I just don't think it's the answer to getting rid of the cartels.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Mexican drug cartels are worse than ISIL | Al Jazeera America

Interesting article. It seems many Americans are not aware of the prevalence of Mexican drug cartel violence and beheadings-or at least choose to ignore it, like our media. The corporate media seems to have an agenda and stories are headlined to ensure it is followed.

Why are we giving so much free publicity and airtime to ISIL? Doesn't having the largest military superpower on Earth waging a war on ISIL give them all the credibility they need in the World of jihadists? Are we trying to funnel Islamic terrorists into one group or are we building up another formidable boogeyman ala Al Qaeda that will ensure decades of warfare for the war profiteers?

" In 2013 drug cartels murdered more than 16,000 people in Mexico alone, and another 60,000 from 2006 to 2012 — a rate of more than one killing every half hour for the last seven years. What is worse, these are estimates from the Mexican government, which is known to deflate the actual death toll by about 50 percent.

Statistics alone do not convey the depravity and threat of the cartels. They carry out hundreds of beheadings every year. In addition to decapitations, the cartels are known to dismember and otherwise mutilate the corpses of their victims — displaying piles of bodies prominently in towns to terrorize the public into compliance. They routinely target women and children to further intimidate communities. Like ISIL, the cartels use social media to post graphic images of their atrocious crimes."

So how exactly does ISIL pose a greater threat to Americans here in the US? Shouldn't we be more concerned with OUR OWN borders and the nations that BORDER us instead of the most historically violent region in the World thousands and thousands of Miles away? If we did not meddle in the affairs of foreign nations in the Middle East would Muslim extremists there be concerned with our country at all?

Does anyone honestly think if we only bomb a few hundred more civilians, occupy these Middle Eastern countries for just a few more years and spend just a few TRILLION more US Dollars we will defeat "terrorism"?
I agree. Cant rep you again yet. EXCELLENT informative thread, thank you.

We went to war in Afghanistan for OPIUM....nothing more....it is always about money
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Old 10-24-2014, 06:46 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Dude, I get what you're saying about ending prohibition of marijuana, but this is not a legalize marijuana thread. It's about Mexican cartels. Legalizing marijuana will hurt their business in one area, but it won't make them just go away. It would probably make them even more dangerous as they push more and more meth, heroine, and cocaine our way. That does not mean to say I would oppose other states legalizing marijuana if they choose to do so. I just don't think it's the answer to getting rid of the cartels.

What is your solution? Should we send our military in to wipe them out? We could feasibly do it, and nobody could stop us. However; we won't, because our government and all of their agencies profit from keeping this so called "war" going. It never ends. Furthermore, we have people already producing heroin and meth here. Cocaine would be the only substance that would need to be imported from Latin America, because the coca plant doesn't grow here.
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Old 10-24-2014, 07:01 AM
 
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It's because Americans that do know are called "racist" every time they want to do something about it. How dare we want to stop illegal drug and human trafficking??? It's their "culture".
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