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Okay... You don't want to stop anyone from legally carrying a firearm. Now can you now address WhipperSnapper's other points that were made in his post. Can you also name these safe havens that are 100% crime free? I can post several recent youtube videos where conceal carry holders stopped an attack in grocery stores, while at work, at a hospital, while standing in line in at a store, and even at church. I can post even more proof and example of people being raped, assaulted, and killed while minding there own business going on with there daily routine. SO again, please tell me where is this Utopia you speak where crime CAN not and WILL not EVER happen, so I can move there.
Once again, I've never said there are any "safe havens" that are crime free.
However, if you want me to believe that the United States is so incredibly threatening, if you want me to believe that the average US citizen isn't safe to go anywhere without a gun, if you want me to believe that robbers, assaulters and murderers are lurking everywhere in the US, fine. You win. I will believe that.
But instead of carrying a gun everywhere, I'm going to take and my kids and defect from this God-forsaken place ASAP to go to another country that isn't so horribly dangerous and where I DON'T have to carry a gun.
You've convinced me that the US is nothing but a cesspool of violent crime and degradation.
Once again, I've never said there are any "safe havens" that are crime free.
However, if you want me to believe that the United States is so incredibly threatening, if you want me to believe that the average US citizen isn't safe to go anywhere without a gun, if you want me to believe that robbers, assaulters and murderers are lurking everywhere in the US, fine. You win. I will believe that.
But instead of carrying a gun everywhere, I'm going to take and my kids and defect from this God-forsaken place ASAP to go to another country that isn't so horribly dangerous and where I DON'T have to carry a gun.
You've convinced me that the US is nothing but a cesspool of violent crime and degradation.
Do not let the door hit you in the posterior on your way out.
I avoid places that I consider dangerous so most of the time I do not carry a gun. I do not feel any need to. When I have worked in places I felt I was in danger I had a gun with me. I did not ask anyone permission to do that even if it may have been illegal in that town. I will make the decision to be armed or not and what to carry.
IMHO the principal reason for very restrictive weapons control laws is to keep the poor and disenfranchised from being able to defend themselves from either criminals or the police. These have frequently been and still are the same people in some places.
Once again, I've never said there are any "safe havens" that are crime free.
However, if you want me to believe that the United States is so incredibly threatening, if you want me to believe that the average US citizen isn't safe to go anywhere without a gun, if you want me to believe that robbers, assaulters and murderers are lurking everywhere in the US, fine. You win. I will believe that.
But instead of carrying a gun everywhere, I'm going to take and my kids and defect from this God-forsaken place ASAP to go to another country that isn't so horribly dangerous and where I DON'T have to carry a gun.
You've convinced me that the US is nothing but a cesspool of violent crime and degradation.
Did I say that I want to stop anyone from carrying? I want to you to highlight in any of my posts where I mentioned anything about doing so. Will you jump to conclusions this quickly with a gun in your hand?
I could go into well-documented statistics that show the US to have the highest violent crime rate by FAR than any other WESTERN country (some pro-gun people often like to cite stats showing war-torn, poor, corrupt countries having higher violent crime. Well, yeah, that's no great surprise). But I'm sure you and others in your camp have seen those stats umpteen times, and you prefer to look at stats favoring carrying weapons everywhere.
So, yes, I am simply expressing my opinion. Nothing more.
The issue comes down to a chicken-and-egg conundrum, which neither camp can agree on. What came first, crime or guns? I happen to think it's more the latter. ONE of the main reasons the US has such high rates of violent crime is BECAUSE of easy access to firearms of all kinds. Your camp believes the opposite: crime exists independently of wide gun ownership, and only more guns will mitigate crime rates.
Just another example of the Great American Standoff. The fun never ends.
Hilarious.....because everyone knows there was NO crime before guns.
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