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Old 10-29-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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Exactly? The local government taxes wages?
Why is it that people here are incapable of using Google search?

SF has a 1.5 percent income tax. The state of CA also imposes an income tax.
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So do most. Only 7 states don't have state income tax.
Well katspaw did ask about local government taxation.

Maybe the poster thinks tips are only taxed at the fed level ?
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Great idea. San Fran servers & bartenders should have ALL their tips fully taxed, pooled & then split "equitably" with the chefs, cooks, dishwashers et al. If they think socialism is great, this will give them a real taste of it.
Easy enough to tax when it's a part of the bill.

Most restaurants pool tips and/ or require their wait staff to " tip out" based on the value of the check.
When a wait person gets stiffed, they are still required to tip out.

Chefs/ cooks rarely participate in the tipping pool.

Including the cost of service in the price of food or adding a service charge is how the majority of the world handles employee compensation.
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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Tell that to the workers who will now pay tax on all that reported income.

"Negligible" ?
On average, wait staff under report by 50% their tips.
Paying full taxes on all of it now (including FICA) is hardly negligible.
The city does not collect taxes on wages - so this is not "all about taxes - nothing else", and this 20% surcharge IS NOT A LAW.

I don't support tax dodgers and we shouldn't have a situation where restaurants pay $2.13/hour (Texas) and employees have to make up the rest of their income in unreported tips.
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So with a city, state and fed income tax, including FICA now put on all this extra money, how well off will these workers end up ?

Give it time. The SeaTac workers aren't exactly overjoyed with their new $15/hour as what they lost negated the raise.
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:44 AM
 
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The city does not collect taxes on wages - so this is not "all about taxes - nothing else", and this 20% surcharge IS NOT A LAW.

I don't support tax dodgers and we shouldn't have a situation where restaurants pay $2.13/hour (Texas) and employees have to make up the rest of their income in unreported tips.
Wrong.
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The city does not collect taxes on wages - so this is not "all about taxes - nothing else", and this 20% surcharge IS NOT A LAW.

I don't support tax dodgers and we shouldn't have a situation where restaurants pay $2.13/hour (Texas) and employees have to make up the rest of their income in unreported tips.
The IRS reports that only about 50% of tips are reported as income.

No, it's not "all about taxes" but the workers will be paying more of them now.
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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Wrong.
Please explain where I am wrong. You are claiming that the 20% surcharge is a law?
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Tell that to the workers who will now pay tax on all that reported income.

"Negligible" ?
On average, wait staff under report by 50% their tips.
Paying full taxes on all of it now (including FICA) is hardly negligible.
The historical consumer shift from cash to credit card for most meal payments ended the majority of opportunities for tax evasion.
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Please explain where I am wrong. You are claiming that the 20% surcharge is a law?
It is a service charge that will be doled out equally among all employees resulting in higher wages for some and lower wages for others.

Yes it is reportable income; it always was but it was up to the worker to report it.

Law has nothing to do with wages.
This is a mechanism where all revenue to the worker will now be reported to the city, state and local governments as wages by the restaurant.


5 Bay Area restaurants taking tips off table, adding surcharge - SFGate
One major shift will be in reporting tips for tax purposes. Generally speaking, cash tips have a tendency to go unreported among restaurant servers. Once the service charge becomes an official line item on a receipt, people will be accountable. Hoffman said employees at Comal will not see a change in their income if they have been declaring all of their tips.
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