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Old 10-30-2014, 09:56 PM
 
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Frankly, if black people can claim stop and frisk is racist bc it unfairly burdens poor / black minority communities, well a progressive tax system is also racist as it unfairly taxes / burdens white people.
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Old 10-31-2014, 05:53 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Actually no. That is using the false assumption that the government actually requires your tax dollars to operate (we saw during the shutdown that is 100% false). The government doesn't need to collect any taxes to spend money. It issues currency at will, limitlessly.
If so, everyone's tax rate should be 0%.

You've proffered an unnecessary proposal.
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Old 10-31-2014, 05:56 AM
 
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Frankly, if black people can claim stop and frisk is racist bc it unfairly burdens poor / black minority communities, well a progressive tax system is also racist as it unfairly taxes / burdens white people.
Interesting point...
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Old 10-31-2014, 05:57 AM
 
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New marginal rates (double for married filers):

$0-$500,000: 0%

$500,000 - $1 million: 50%

$1 million+: 90%

ROFL....... Why would I go through the effort to make anything over a million if the tax man is going to take it all?


If I make 1 million I take home 500K, if I make 5 million I take home 900K?
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:03 AM
 
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So, incorporate your business and pay no corporate tax.



I know exactly what I'm proposing. It is a deliberate representation of what is lacking in our ideology.

All economics comes down to motive. Taxation is about values, not actual revenue. It is all made up bull**** from the government. I offered a plant that will allow over 99% of Americans to pay no income tax, and most people are against it because they desperately want to be in the 1%, or want to protect the 1%. It's hilarious.




Why not? Why do you care? You will be paying no Federal income tax.



That is exactly the point of the discussion.
umm, have you ever had a poor man offer you a job? "Most people are against it" because they oppose the near-total destruction of the economy by eating the rich--who employ most of us. The only hilarious thing is that you haven't caught on to the importance of wealth and capital at work to the working and middle classes. Unless you are aiming at a return to subsistence agriculture?
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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If so, everyone's tax rate should be 0%.

You've proffered an unnecessary proposal.
Yes, everyone's tax should be zero. Why are you objecting to that?

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ROFL....... Why would I go through the effort to make anything over a million if the tax man is going to take it all?


If I make 1 million I take home 500K, if I make 5 million I take home 900K?
Why do you go to work everyday? To earn a living or to satisfy insatiable greed?

99% of citizens will pay NO INCOME TAX under this proposal (which I specifically stated is conceptual only)

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umm, have you ever had a poor man offer you a job? "Most people are against it" because they oppose the near-total destruction of the economy by eating the rich--who employ most of us. The only hilarious thing is that you haven't caught on to the importance of wealth and capital at work to the working and middle classes. Unless you are aiming at a return to subsistence agriculture?
What does being rich have to do with 99% of Americans paying no income tax?

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Maybe they are against it because they realize it's impossible.

Economics is about allocation of resources. People like you victimize the 1% while expecting them to pay for everything. You guys still can't grasp how regressive taxes are in the countries you wish America was like. I wouldn't have a problem with your "plan" as long as you added one caveat: The government can't spend more than it takes in. It would never happen.

By the way, when the rates were 90% in the past nobody actually paid them. In one year - 1937 I believe - not a single tax return paid the top marginal rate. First, those rates were on income that was in the millions. Second, taxpayers just restructure their finances. Few are going to give away 90%, especially when the other 99% pay zero. That giant sucking sound Ross Perot mentioned would return on steroids.
No, economics is about motive and control. Money is all made up. The government can create $100 trillion tomorrow if it wanted to, because it is the only legal issuer of U.S. dollars in the world.
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:26 AM
 
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Yes, everyone's tax should be zero. Why are you objecting to that?
I'm not. Make it so.

Why didn't Obama and his Dem Congress do it when they had the chance in 2009-2010?
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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It's not fair debating with someone who doesn't understand marginal rates.

Rolling on the floor laughing.....

It was basic math with the calculations given.

To be more profitable, people will quit being productive when they reach the limit the government has mandated you be profitable.
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:58 AM
 
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I'm not. Make it so.

Why didn't Obama and his Dem Congress do it when they had the chance in 2009-2010?
Obama and his Dem Congress are rich. They have to keep their donors happy.

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It was basic math with the calculations given.

To be more profitable, people will quit being productive when they reach the limit the government has mandated you be profitable.
What are you talking about? You will be paying NO INCOME TAX.
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Old 10-31-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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Why do you go to work everyday? To earn a living or to satisfy insatiable greed?

99% of citizens will pay NO INCOME TAX under this proposal (which I specifically stated is conceptual only)
I call it the desire to be a success, that doesn't just fall into your lap for most people. I expect to be rewarded for my efforts. If there is no reward who's going to take my place, the guy flipping burgers at McDonald's? He's not ging to do what I do, that's why he's working at Mcdonald's in the first place.
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