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View Poll Results: What do YOU think about Global Warming / Climate Change?
We may not fully understand the climate but we need to motivate people to action. 11 9.32%
I believe in the science and in the warnings. 24 20.34%
It's an important issue but I don't buy into the alarmism. 11 9.32%
This is a natural cycle. The climate always changes. 54 45.76%
The scientific community has been influenced by dogma, politics and greed. 34 28.81%
This issue is nothing more than a smokescreen to raise taxes, reduce or destroy capitalism and promote socialism. 42 35.59%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 118. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-31-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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We're arguing about it, but they're planning for it.
Great point.

I don't pretend to know much about climate change.
But I do think man's pollution has a lot to do with it.
We are dirty.

 
Old 10-31-2014, 02:37 PM
 
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That sounds better than ignorance and blind partisanship. Thanks you showing us your true colors so I know to take your word less seriously. Pathetic.
Really?
You don't consider it hypocritical and elitist to own several large homes, one of them on a beach, while you preach to the rest of us about our carbon footprint?

Oh... wait.. he "offsets his carbon footprint" buy purchasing carbon credits which he also makes money off of.
Excuse me.
 
Old 10-31-2014, 02:38 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Perfect example of what most denialists subscribe to. If someone is already scientifically illiterate, you can then play on their paranoia of higher taxes/federal government and replace science with something they feel comfortable with.

Those who deny mankind's acceleration of climate change are dinosaurs and are going to end up as extinct as they are in a decade, maybe two, by then will they have served their purpose as useful idiots for the fossil fuel industry? Thats what the wealth hoarders are banking on. This forum proves they have strong support.

The wealth they rake in is unprecedented, and someday we all will be forced to take action to act to start finding alternatives. We are all frogs in a pot of simmering water.
What % of climate change is due to mankind's acceleration?

How many times do you have to watch doomsday predictions not be true before you give up your fear/superstition & look at things scientifically?

The wealth hoarders are the ones pushing this false agenda. Who's profited the most so far? The richest man in the UK has also made the biggest profit in their carbon exchange scheme with over a billion pounds in profit. The Chicago Carbon Exchange was founded by Al Gore (billionaire 1%), Kenneth Lay (Enron), Rockefeller Bros/Turner/Heinz/Ford Foundations, ExxonMobil, et al. Aren't these the same "wealth hoarders" who you're supposed to be against?
 
Old 10-31-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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Climate study is very important and would be studied regardless. You are misunderstanding this tipping point. Again, the severe consequences are long term. Globalization is recent phenomenon and tackling this issue before the world adopts a 21st century is important....
How am I misunderstanding the tipping point? Every few years we have a new one and it's always moved ahead slightly into the future. They do this because we've passed several "points of no return" no already so we need to keep moving the goalposts to keep the sheep frightened!
 
Old 10-31-2014, 02:43 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Climate study is very important and would be studied regardless. You are misunderstanding this tipping point. Again, the severe consequences are long term. Globalization is recent phenomenon and tackling this issue before the world adopts a 21st century is important....
Scientists disagree on what is causing Climate Change, but one thing they all agree on is that there is no reversing Climate Change & that if even single person on the planet reverted to the stone ages, we wouldn't be able to stop Climate Change. So why charge the world's poorest people (this is the plan called cap 'n' trade') for something we already know can't be fixed?
 
Old 10-31-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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Scientists disagree on what is causing Climate Change, but one thing they all agree on is that there is no reversing Climate Change & that if even single person on the planet reverted to the stone ages, we wouldn't be able to stop Climate Change. So why charge the world's poorest people (this is the plan called cap 'n' trade') for something we already know can't be fixed?
Scientists also cannot currently predict what the climate will do in the future. None of the models or the consensus predicted the 16 year plus slowdown we are now experiencing.
So the climate WILL change, it always has, the opposite of that would be "climate stasis" and I don't think anyone would want that. The question is, will it be a catastrophic change.

I think the scientists and politicians are TELLING us it will be catastrophic because it motivates action, gets funding and gets attention.

Researchers don't seek the truth, they seek grants.
Journalists don't seek the truth, they seek attention grabbing headlines that sell adverts.
Politicians don't seek the truth, they seek votes, re election and taxes.
 
Old 10-31-2014, 02:54 PM
 
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Two things.

1. It's happening.
2. Interglacial explains it.

Politics are about control.
Agreed, politics is about control, and the CAGW scare affords a great opportunity to expand more control over the people.

I think the science behind all these is in its infancy, and a lot is unknown. What we do know for sure, is with all the exaggerations being made promoting public carbon policies, the politically well connected will get filthy rich off taxpyer funded subsides, grants, and tailor made taxes, regs, laws, and such.
 
Old 10-31-2014, 04:11 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Really?
You don't consider it hypocritical and elitist to own several large homes, one of them on a beach, while you preach to the rest of us about our carbon footprint?

Oh... wait.. he "offsets his carbon footprint" buy purchasing carbon credits which he also makes money off of.
Excuse me.
I don't care about those type of people. I don't base my beliefs off talking heads and figure heads. Nor do I build them up so I can tear them down. It's not how I operate.....

I think Al Gore and Hansen are tools however. Like I said, I don't take them seriously.
 
Old 10-31-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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First, a poll has nothing to do with science. Most people are idiots.
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Case in point.... Providing a link about people's opinions as means to show the importance of climate change action.

To the IPCC and their post-normal science, that poll is very relevant and very devastating.
 
Old 10-31-2014, 04:38 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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How am I misunderstanding the tipping point? Every few years we have a new one and it's always moved ahead slightly into the future. They do this because we've passed several "points of no return" no already so we need to keep moving the goalposts to keep the sheep frightened!
What tipping point compared to a few years ago?

The point of no return if referring to is what exactly? India's billion presently is where China's billion was in 2000, and Africa's billion presently is where India was in 2000. Globalization is greatly accelerating our consumption of resources and therefore increasing our waste/pollution. Like I've said, it's better to start making progress on this sooner than later.... Climate change or accomodating billions will require the same solutions.
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