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That David Lappi graph supposedly based on the Richard Alley paper actually ends in 1905 (95 years prior 2000). A lot has happened since 1905. It's also from one particular ice core in one location.
It's typical blatant or incompetant misrepresentation from conspiracy websites like Jo Nova and Watts Up With That.
nice graph DV, but it just goes to prove my points. you are trying to show that a small period of time is greater than the whole, and it isnt. you have also shown that the earth is in a general cooling period overall. nice try but your "evidence" does not support your position.
It's actually the graph from your link.....
I initially said nothing could be gleamed from a single graph. Care to respond to any of the points I made?
This doesn't happen once a year, it happens multiple times each year, as one month breaks the record for the hottest average worldwide temperature in recorded history. Year, after year, after year. a steady drumbeat of temperature records broken. You also see above average rainfall in parts of this country, and extended droughts in others. You see and you feel the climate changing around you. You hear scientists telling you the reasons that the temperature is getting warmer every year.
And the denialists cup their ears, close their eyes, and say "La La La La La La La!!!!" as soon as they see the science or the data presented to them. It's how they've been trained.
And then you come onto a forum like this one full of scientifically illiterate clods and you realize that yes, Americans truly are the dumbest people in the industrialized world, and it is entirely by design.
This doesn't happen once a year, it happens multiple times each year, as one month breaks the record for the hottest average worldwide temperature in recorded history. Year, after year, after year. a steady drumbeat of temperature records broken. You also see above average rainfall in parts of this country, and extended droughts in others. You see and you feel the climate changing around you. You hear scientists telling you the reasons that the temperature is getting warmer every year.
And the denialists cup their ears, close their eyes, and say "La La La La La La La!!!!" as soon as they see the science or the data presented to them. It's how they've been trained.
And then you come onto a forum like this one full of scientifically illiterate clods and you realize that yes, Americans truly are the dumbest people in the industrialized world, and it is entirely by design.
If you bothered to do your own research you would find all the temperature changes and climate variances you sight have happened time and again, even before humanity was around to be blamed for them.
When you speak of "illiterate clods" you really should make sure you are not within the group that you are attempting to denigrate. That and try to find information from both sides, not just the one you choose to believe. Climate changes have been going on well before mankind was around to be blamed for them, which refutes the charges that it is all caused by humanity.
This doesn't happen once a year, it happens multiple times each year, as one month breaks the record for the hottest average worldwide temperature in recorded history. Year, after year, after year. a steady drumbeat of temperature records broken. You also see above average rainfall in parts of this country, and extended droughts in others. You see and you feel the climate changing around you. You hear scientists telling you the reasons that the temperature is getting warmer every year.
And the denialists cup their ears, close their eyes, and say "La La La La La La La!!!!" as soon as they see the science or the data presented to them. It's how they've been trained.
And then you come onto a forum like this one full of scientifically illiterate clods and you realize that yes, Americans truly are the dumbest people in the industrialized world, and it is entirely by design.
The post-normal scientists can't resolve CAGW to 10ths of a degree - pointing to readings resolved to 100ths of a degree as proof is ludicrous.
Are you seriously this dense or are you just being obtuse for the sake of starting a pissing contest?
How many times do I have to explain this?
The AGW alarmist side has been claiming two things...
1) The theory that man emitting Co2 is doing bad things to the climate has a 97% consensus, the science is settled and the debate is over.
2) That we are required to act fast before it is too late because time is of the essence.
So, if I were to take those two statements at face value and if I believed in them, it leads me to wonder why do we need to continue studying this (and reaching the same conclusions time and time again), if the debate is over and the science is settled? Does it make a difference if we have 50 ice core studies that show it's mankind's fault instead of 15? What's the point?
You might actually have an argument if the AGW crowd wasn't constantly saying the debate is over and the science is settled.
I have no trouble understanding the value of continuing to study something to increase our scientific knowledge, however, we are being told that there is no more debate or question about the matter and that time is of the utmost essence. So with those two caveats, I don't see how they think they have the LUXURY of continuing to do studies that just show it's man's fault. They should be doing studies about how to create cleaner energy or to protect cities from sea level rise.
No it's you being dense. There is more to climate study than alarmism and your caveats deal exclusively with that. We've always studied the climate as it's pretty important for the survival of the human species.
You obviously are ignorant about scientific research as studying ice cores and tree rings don't always yield the same result as it depends on what precisely you are looking for..... You seem to be under the incorrect notion that the EXACT same studies are being done over and over. Obviously, there is a matter of reproducible nature of modern science and peer review but you are simply looking at this simply.
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Yes, it's no secret that I do NO buy into the AGW alarmist mindset. I am trying to understand it, that is why I say "for the sake of argument". In order to say otherwise would mean that I believe the AGW alarmism and I do not. I am trying to understand the mindset of those who do regarding this endless cycle of more research that just shows the same results while they tell us that "Rome is burning" and we have act fast.
Well it's a flawed argument regardless. For the hundredth time....there is no political will to do anything besides put money towards research and tax subsidies. Your exercise is completely pointless as it doesn't have any bearing on reality and is nothing more than mental masturbation.
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You also asked if I have a carbon tax where I live.
No, I do not.
So what?
So because something has not yet happened that I disagree with, I shouldn't be concerned about it?
I shouldn't give a crap about billions of dollars in tax money being pissed away on the climate alarmism industry each year?
So then the side of ignorance/sitting on one hands is winning..... There ya go.
You have every right to be concerned but wait until there actually legislation on the issue before getting on your soap box and being alarmist.... Ironic no?
If you actually cared about the misallocation of money then there are quite a few topics that would require priority over this.
The post-normal scientists can't resolve CAGW to 10ths of a degree - pointing to readings resolved to 100ths of a degree as proof is ludicrous.
Oh my goodness, solving the issues of climate change will also solve the issues of smog, water pollution, water supplies, energy efficiency, food production, and all the other problems from a globalizing and industrializing world. It's terrible right?
Oh my goodness, solving the issues of climate change will also solve the issues of smog, water pollution, water supplies, energy efficiency, food production, and all the other problems from a globalizing and industrializing world. It's terrible right?
This doesn't happen once a year, it happens multiple times each year, as one month breaks the record for the hottest average worldwide temperature in recorded history. Year, after year, after year. a steady drumbeat of temperature records broken. You also see above average rainfall in parts of this country, and extended droughts in others. You see and you feel the climate changing around you. You hear scientists telling you the reasons that the temperature is getting warmer every year.
And the denialists cup their ears, close their eyes, and say "La La La La La La La!!!!" as soon as they see the science or the data presented to them. It's how they've been trained.
And then you come onto a forum like this one full of scientifically illiterate clods and you realize that yes, Americans truly are the dumbest people in the industrialized world, and it is entirely by design.
How about the simple fact that there has been no definitive objective scientific evidence that man made global warming is happening?
I am fully wed to the principles of science, which is why I understand that "global warming" is bunk. Anyone who knows anything about science understands that the "global warming" crowd firmly stands opposed to the core principles of science, which has not proved global warming by any means.
Can you please show the definitive scientific evidence that "proves" global warming? (of course, this does not exist, but give it a shot.
I am a complete "science nerd". I have published many papers in the medical literature. I have two advanced degrees in areas of science. I continue to rent time on the scanning electron microscope at the state university to analyze military medals (hobby). I listen to math, physics and statistics courses for fun while driving. Given my background in bench science, I KNOW that the global warming issue is, at best, a speculative unproven hypothesis with the best data (the fossil record) tending to refute the contention.
If there is ever definitive data refuting the null hypothesis, I will embrace the concept of man made global warming. That evidence HAS NOT been presented anywhere and therefore this concept is a speculative, unproven theory.
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