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Old 11-06-2014, 07:16 AM
 
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They must spend extraordinary amounts of effort to ignore the obvious point of the post: That how they live determines whether they are conservative, not how they vote.
What balderdash!

As far as political parties are concerned (and the GOP is a political party), it's how they vote that matters. And it's the only thing that matters.
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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Have you bought your one-way ticket to any of those countries yet?

I didn't think so.

This country isn't going the way of socialism and government control that those others have done.

As I pointed out, the American people prefer freedom, and the personal responsibility that comes with it. People who disagree, are free to seek out a country that prefers subservience and reliance on a Nanny State government.

You're right.

And we should start by dismantling Medicare and Social Security. Two of the greatest socialist programs utilized HEAVILY by those who fancy themselves "conservative".... used, btw, because the private market would never, ever ever ever provide or sustain any sort of health insurance program that covers people over age 65 without it costing thousands in premiums per month.


Good luck next election cycle, however, when half of the GOP base of "golden oldies" is dead for lack of healthcare and food, or can't make it to the polling place because they didn't get a new mobility scooter.
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:47 AM
 
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This is quite fun to watch.

I pointed out that most Americans are conservative in their private lives.

Also pointed out that with some of them there is a strange an unexplainable conflict: Some of them live conservatively even as they vote liberally, violating the rules they would never cross in their own lives.

And what does liberal after liberal do? Points out that they vote liberally, so therefore they must BE liberal.

They must spend extraordinary amounts of effort to ignore the obvious point of the post: That how they live determines whether they are conservative, not how they vote.

These people are even more desperate and despondent after the election, than they were before it.
Decisions that make sense for a family don't always make sense for the country as a whole. It's a little like, the winningest coach in the NFL can't become commissioner and improve the NFL's total win rate (it's always exactly 50%). I think a lot of conservatives mistakenly think the country works like a household, which leads them to make ignorant policy decisions.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Have you considered night school for adults?

They take anybody. And often benefit their students greatly.
I've got an odd feeling I've logged a bit more education than you - and at places that would make you mind instantly drift into some conspiratorial "Wall Street vs. Main Street / Crony Capitalism" mode and cause you to write an equally unreadable post. Let's agree that I'll not ask you questions about Metal, and you can stay out of the whole education and net amount of taxes paid contest. But you did win in one respect - I actually re-read your post.

Originally, I couldn't finish your post because it was, well, bad. It was odd in tone (on the verge of showing mental disturbance), poorly written with both run-on sentences and thoughts, riddled with stream-of-consciousness analogies decipherable only in your head, and ultimately both circular and moronic. It's your opinion, you are certainly entitled to it, and your willingness to share it on a public forum implies that you are willing to have it ignored and giggled at, which is what I did.

Re-reading your post, it starts off a bit like a 10th-grade book report on a Franz Kafka short story. The whole "vast majority of neighbors" being unwilling to "know what they could later force out of them for any of the above situations" instantly conjured a feeling of existential dread, powerlessness, futility and lack of meaning - an emotion as true in early 20th century Austria-Hungary as it is today. Bravo. It then jumps onto some predictable Ayn Rand-ish sentiments (which most people that have families and make over $60,000 a year do not share), and finishes with a classic Rush Limbaugh / Gary Bauer late 1990s flourish. There were a few minor contradictions, some definite non-sequiturs, but what really threw it off was the continually creepy analogies of how neighbors interact, ignore each other, and how this explains the true meaning of the Constitution, the idea of responsibility and "govt-created disasters". If the US Constitution was drafted solo over a short weekend in an isolated Montana log cabin by a bearded paranoiac, I imagine it would read similar.

Oddly enough, I think we probably vote the same.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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I pointed out that most Americans are conservative in their private lives.
I don't even know what that means, except to say that it's complete horse hockey. Conservatives love to say that most Americans are conservative. But they have no data or evidence to back up the claim. A bunch of idiotic made-up scenarios don't count.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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Not every state. FL voted no to legalised marijuana.
Actually approval of medical marijuana won a clear majority of votes (57%). It just failed to reach the 60% required to amend the Florida Constitution. I don't know the ins and outs of Florida law but making medical marijuana a constitutional amendment instead of a referendum makes it seem like it was set up to fail.

So Florida voted yes to legalizing, but just not yes enough.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Actually approval of medical marijuana won a clear majority of votes (57%). It just failed to reach the 60% required to amend the Florida Constitution. I don't know the ins and outs of Florida law but making medical marijuana a constitutional amendment instead of a referendum makes it seem like it was set up to fail.

So Florida voted yes to legalizing, but just not yes enough.
Ah gotcha. Thank you for the clarification.
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:03 PM
 
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It's a good catch phrase... but a small government is what they have in the third world.
Fail...

America has prospered to be one of the wealthiest nations in the world under small government.

To believe we are somehow similar to third world nations who have anarchy is an embarassment you shall never overcome
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:32 PM
 
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Would you also love to see millions of your fellow country men die?

Would you also love to see health outcomes dictated based on money instead of need?

Healthcare costs money. Of course, those with money should be able to afford better healthcare. It's an individual's responsibility to take care of his health and life. Only a parasite would expect others to do it for him.
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Old 11-07-2014, 08:53 AM
 
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Fail...

America has prospered to be one of the wealthiest nations in the world under small government.

To believe we are somehow similar to third world nations who have anarchy is an embarassment you shall never overcome
And when since the 1930's have we ever had a small government?

In fact, based upon taxes a share of GDP we have a "smaller government" than during the Reagan Administration.
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