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Old 11-11-2014, 08:30 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why does government have to get involved in the first place?
Let things run its coarse, letting the market be free.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:33 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Why does government have to get involved in the first place?
Let things run its coarse, letting the market be free.
Are you in favor of price gauging ???
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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Are you in favor of price gauging ???
I'm hoping you meant "gouging".

Define "gouging" for us.

I want a definitive, universally applicable definition.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:45 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I'm hoping you meant "gouging".

Define "gouging" for us.

I want a definitive, universally applicable definition.
LOL I did

Price Gouging -When a seller prices goods or commodities at a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair.

The problem with you people who believe in absolute free markets is that those free markets do not have a ceiling. Inelastic goods dont have a "market value". They can be sold at what ever price the owner wants.

Imagine if private companies owned all water rights and could sell it at what ever price they wanted.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:48 PM
 
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LOL I did

Price Gouging -When a seller prices goods or commodities at a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair.
Vagueness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please read it.

You defined a vague concept by declaring it to be the equivalent of two more vague and subjective terms.

Perhaps you can remove the vagueness and subjective mumbo jumbo and give us an ACTUAL definition.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:48 PM
 
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Not at all.
Specifically what do you disagree with.



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Netflix (let's pick on them this time, instead of Hulu) raised their per month charge from 10 to 20, and paid some ISP's to deliver their services cheaper than everyone else's...
Yes because it's no longer about who is providing the best service but who can leverage the bandwidth to their advantage.

Again the simple solution here is to charge the consumer for the bandwidth they are using, different tiers, rates... Leave how that bandwidth is used up to the consumer.

Honestly what is not to like? The ISP has no complaints because they are getting paid for their services. The content provider has no complaint because there is a nice equal playing field. The consumer gets equal access to whatever they can afford.

The problem with this is what?
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:52 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Vagueness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please read it.

You defined a vague concept by declaring it to be the equivalent of two more vague and subjective terms.

Perhaps you can remove the vagueness and subjective mumbo jumbo and give us an ACTUAL definition.
Quote my entire post, i gave you examples, in context, you had a grasp of the concept and chose to ignore it.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:58 PM
 
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Yes because it's no longer about who is providing the best service but who can leverage the bandwidth to their advantage.
Huh? What's your point?

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Again the simple solution here is to charge the consumer for the bandwidth they are using, different tiers, rates... Leave how that bandwidth is used up to the consumer.
You are. In all ways.

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Honestly what is not to like? The ISP has no complaints because they are getting paid for their services. The content provider has no complaint because there is a nice equal playing field. The consumer gets equal access to whatever they can afford.
What's not to like? That you put money-grubbing, crooked, corrupt, deceitful, dishonest, incompetent, and selfish politicians in charge and expect a wonderful outcome.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:59 PM
 
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Quote my entire post, i gave you examples, in context, you had a grasp of the concept and chose to ignore it.
No, you did not.

You chose deliberately vague and subjective emotional words.

In other words, you avoided being honest.
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Old 11-11-2014, 09:05 PM
 
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LOL I did

Price Gouging -When a seller prices goods or commodities at a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair.
The words "reasonable" and "fair" are nothing other than individual opinion.

You are demanding that government regulate what someone else owns to operate the way you want it to be.

In other words... You want to control other people and what they do to your satisfaction, and you want government to do it for you by force.

You know, like an out of control bully.


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The problem with you people who believe in absolute free markets is that those free markets do not have a ceiling. Inelastic goods dont have a "market value". They can be sold at what ever price the owner wants.
Which is why you never let government get involved and create monopolies.

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Imagine if private companies owned all water rights and could sell it at what ever price they wanted.
Imagine the government has control and can tax you as much as it wants and force you to do anything it wants.

Oh, wait, the water guys can merely inconvenience you (unless you allowed government to own all the water and it sold it all...). The government is free to kill you at whim.

Really, the whole purpose of your argument, is that you wish to disguise the fact that you are merely a bully and demand that other people be forced to do as you wish, for your pleasure.

Slavery is and always was immoral. Stop demanding it.
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