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Old 11-15-2014, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Or maybe the Democratic base just never turns out in midterms
The consequence of encouraging sloth and irresponsibility is your base finds voting every two years too much work.
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:06 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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I love how people who love to degrade America always compare us to Europe not knowing they are just giving us an Ego boost by comparing us to a continent....
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:06 PM
 
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Eisenhower did a lot on civil rights. More than bigots like FDR and Woodrow Wilson. Calvin Coolidge got citizenship rights for the Natives and fought the KKK. Woodrow Wilson implemented segregation and FDR was as bad. Lyndon Johnson was a bigot who passed civil rights for political reasons, to buy Black votes.

Second world nation is a former or current communist nation.

There's too much nonsense to even begin to address in your post but these two points are the most obvious.
He did what he had to do for Civil Rights, but his primary focus was on his project for the interstate system and social security... he did not take it on as a major issue, not in the midst of the projects he was currently facing. If you had an idea of the oppositions he had to deal with when it came to social security, and the massive challenges faced in building a freeway system, it would be easier for you to grasp the context of the points as stated. There were also very big issues with Cold War elements, both Soviet and Central American. His presidency has a vast array of things to contend. He also created many jobs with his freeway projects that benefit minorities well in the work they were able to attain. I think reading his bio and researching, he did a lot of works, which many historians are still to this day finding out he was a far greater president than credit was given previously.

Lyndon Johnson had been fighting KKK and racism in his ways long before, and he was determined to push and move Presidents Kennedy's Civil Rights Agenda forward. He and King had their difference about the Vietnam war, but that did not block the whole of the movement to push for passage of the Civil Rights Act. who cares if he got votes in the process, by right he should have gotten them for the push and passage of the Civil Rights Act

Good challenge, but "context matters" to grasp perspective.

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Old 11-15-2014, 03:07 PM
 
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The consequence of encouraging sloth and irresponsibility is your base finds voting every two years too much work.
I couldn't have said it better!
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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Yep.

I have yet to see a liberal comparing the US negatively with any country with a lower percentage of white boys.

I may retire in my wife's native land where the girls are prettier and the beer is a hell of a lot cheaper.
Blacks in Europe:

Police arrest 60 at Dutch 'Black Pete' festival
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:09 PM
 
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He did what he had to do for Civil Rights, but his primary focus was on his project for the interstate system and social security... he did not take it on as a major issue, not in the midst of the projects he was currently facing. If you had an idea of the oppositions he had to deal with when it came to social security, and the massive challenges faced in building a freeway system, it would be easier for you to grasp the context of the points as stated.
Lyndon Johnson had been fighting KKK and racism in his ways long before, and he was determined to push and move Presidents Civil Rights Agenda forward. He and King had their difference about the Vietnam war, but that did not block the whole of the movement to push for passage of the Civil Rights Act.

Good challenge, but "context matters" to grasp perspective.
Lyndon Johnson was an old, Southern bigot. He advanced civil rights to cement the black vote for the Democrats.
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Until you liberals do some honest critical thinking about why you got slaughtered in the midterms, you are going to be in the wilderness politically for a very long time. It's pretty clear that most of you haven't learned a thing.

Well, the demographics of the last election seem pretty anomalous to me, so I don't get the lesson. The Dems were going to lose, the only question was how bad. The decision to throw their big dog under the bus, was spectacularly dumb. You don't bench your star player and expect to win. I would say I learned that, but I knew the Dems were being stupid from the beginning.

This is an example of what a strong political speaker can do with the GOP behavior. They have not changed any of their tactics, and this is spot on the money, and damn funny too!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5knEXDsrL4


Obama was smart enough to bring in the big dog, and it worked.
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:16 PM
 
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American over all will do better, when we realize and understand that we have much room and great need for improvements. Those with the Post World War II Glaze of thinking we are what we were then, need to re-consider and realize, we have as much to learn from the world and maybe more, than we think they need to learn from us.

Heck we can't even get rid of racism and the wealth gap even after 500 yrs of such craziness.

We need to get down to reality, and stop with the delusion that we are above learning from others around the world.
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:18 PM
 
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American over all will do better, when we realize and understand that we have much room and great need for improvements. Those with the Post World War II Glaze of thinking we are what we were then, need to re-consider and realize, we have as much to learn from the world and maybe more, than we think they need to learn from us.

Heck we can't even get rid of racism and the wealth gap even after 500 yrs of such craziness.

We need to get down to reality, and stop with the delusion that we are above learning from others around the world.
You can't really get rid of those things, those are just facts of life.
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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American over all will do better, when we realize and understand that we have much room and great need for improvements. Those with the Post World War II Glaze of thinking we are what we were then, need to re-consider and realize, we have as much to learn from the world and maybe more, than we think they need to learn from us.

Heck we can't even get rid of racism and the wealth gap even after 500 yrs of such craziness.

We need to get down to reality, and stop with the delusion that we are above learning from others around the world.
Hear! Hear! We are not a great country, just because. We can learn a lot from Europe, and the rest of the world.
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