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Old 11-16-2014, 08:40 PM
 
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Comet lander control room photos lack diversity. That shirt also lacks diversity. Those tatted sleeves might be covering over nazi symbols. Is the Rosetta probe out of energy, or does it just want to not associate with racists.
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Old 11-17-2014, 01:36 AM
 
Location: Humboldt County, CA
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Okay, let's try a rational discussion, shall we?

This particular gentleman is probably not an awful, raging sexist. A very small minority of people have railed violently against him, leading to him apologizing for wearing the shirt on television, in tears. That's not okay.

In some places talk about this shirt has overshadowed the monumental scientific achievement that we has a species have managed. That's not okay either.

But what I've seen more of--and keep in mind, I travel in a lot of pretty liberal and feminist circles--is backlash against the backlash. "****ing feminist *******" and "If a shirt is enough to keep you from going into STEM then you don't belong there" and "grow some balls" and all of that.

And that's not okay, either.

Many great scientists have been women, but no one knows the name Ada Lovelace as well as they know Charles Babbage. No one knows Rosalind Franklin as well as Watson and Crick. Kids don't grow up learning about Annie Jump Cannon or Elizabeth Blackwell or Lise Mietner or any of the numerous female programmers involved with the ENIAC.

But most everyone knows Einstein and Edison. Lots of people know about Tesla these days. Older folks probably remember the name Oppenheimer pretty well. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are both household names, and are both people whose fortunes depend on the prior work of many of the women listed above. But you here about the men, not the women, especially in historic contexts. Women have always worked in STEM, but they are often uncredited and unrecognized. What message does this give women, especially girls?

We still have this idea that women are just not as good at math (and therefore science and engineering) as men. You can quote statistics or drag in "biotruths" if you want. If you want to claim that fewer women are naturally skilled in these areas, knock yourself out. But an individual girl can be as good or better than an individual boy. By saying or supporting the idea that girls aren't good at math and that it's okay for them to not be good at math, we're discouraging them from trying. We're alienating the girls who are good at math by implying their talents are unfeminine.

The girls who do make it into STEM fields in college and beyond are then often faced with institutionalized sexism, less pay that their male counterparts, or flat out misogyny. And, very possibly as a result, women still lag behind men in STEM degrees and employment in almost all fields.

But assuming a woman makes it past all those hurdles, someone she might consider a colleague shows up to work on the most important day of his professional life in a shirt with barely-dressed, bondage-gear-wielding women. She sees this and dares to speak up by saying hey, this shirt is problematic because...

And she is told in so many words to shut up and get back in the kitchen where she belongs.

That is a problem.
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Old 11-17-2014, 02:33 AM
 
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But assuming a woman makes it past all those hurdles, someone she might consider a colleague shows up to work on the most important day of his professional life in a shirt with barely-dressed, bondage-gear-wielding women. She sees this and dares to speak up by saying hey, this shirt is problematic because...
Except talentless feminist bloggers are the ones who said it's problematic, not actual female STEM professionals like you're trying to imply.
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Old 11-17-2014, 05:09 AM
 
Location: NJ
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While the Rosetta spacecraft was landing, Rosetta scientist Matt Taylor was interviewed on TV and chose to dress, for this special occasion, in a bowling shirt covered in scantly clad caricatures of sexy women in provocative poses. Many are outraged but he also has many supporters.

"I'm bothered by the fact that no one in charge to made him change shirts before going on video. Suggests they didn't see problem"

"Is this standard clothing for him or something he wears on special occasions? Either way, he's a creep."

https://archive.today/e4Yyu#selection-3527.15-3527.188
https://twitter.com/roseveleth/statu...561024/photo/1
https://archive.today/e4Yyu
So, the guy likes women!

the personalized shirt is a symbol of the success of humanity in space vs a uniform representing the government. The spectrum of humaity may be represented by many symbols, the shirt was specific to this guy.
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Old 11-17-2014, 05:12 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Frankly if as described I am surprise they let him wear such a shirt to work. I agree that is kind of creepy and more like something you would see on some street creep.
Agreed, they should arrest him and take away his pension, and check his DNA against unsolved assaults.

I guess if you are going into 'space' with a good chance may may be there forever, what ever floats your boat should be the rule of the day.
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Old 11-17-2014, 05:47 AM
 
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The female anchor was probably in the standard mini skirt and push-up bra. But hey, keep hating.
Yeah, where's the outrage over the blond bimbos on Faux news showing thigh up their beltline? Those poor girls will have varicose veins before they're 40 with all of that knee crossing they're required to maintain lest the public get a snapper-shot.
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Old 11-17-2014, 05:54 AM
 
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While the Rosetta spacecraft was landing, Rosetta scientist Matt Taylor was interviewed on TV and chose to dress, for this special occasion, in a bowling shirt covered in scantly clad caricatures of sexy women in provocative poses. Many are outraged but he also has many supporters.

"I'm bothered by the fact that no one in charge to made him change shirts before going on video. Suggests they didn't see problem"

"Is this standard clothing for him or something he wears on special occasions? Either way, he's a creep."

https://archive.today/e4Yyu#selection-3527.15-3527.188
https://twitter.com/roseveleth/statu...561024/photo/1
https://archive.today/e4Yyu
These same people holler "Choice'"every chance they get, except when it doesn't suit them.
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Old 11-17-2014, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I thought scientists were beyond criticism.
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Old 11-17-2014, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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They're just upset that they don't make shirts with large feminists on it.
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Old 11-17-2014, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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The stuff some people get worked up about is hysterical!
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I feel bad for people whose lives must be so empty and pathetic that this upsets them.
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Unbelievable that this is even an issue. Some people have too much free time.
People who go about their day looking to be offended are often successful.......
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