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Old 11-20-2014, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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But they vote at a higher rate then other ethnic groups. They helped win Obama the White House in 2012. You're also not taking into account that they make up a much higher percentage of the voting population in key states. Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Florida, etc.
30 years of kicking the immigration can brought the US to " right now". It has not mattered who sat the oval or held the majority.

Political strategists seem to agree that it is not possible for a nominee to win the popular vote without getting at least 40% of the Hispanic vote. Bush advocated for amnesty and he won in 2004. Congress did not enbrace the Bush Admin Plan and so the can continued to be kicked into the future.

it seems likely that if the bipartisan Senate bill been put to a vote in the House, it would have passed.

 
Old 11-20-2014, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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A lot of people have already read outlines of his proposal. Why havent you? Here goes one..
Form over substance.

Much ado about nothing.

There is no funding to deport millions.

Delaying deportation is politics.

No pathway to citizenship. No green cards. No healthcare insurance. No soup for illegal immigrants.

How many politicians will hide behind a " how dare Obama" instead of putting their own position on the line.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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30 years of kicking the immigration can brought the US to " right now". It has not mattered who sat the oval or held the majority.

Political strategists seem to agree that it is not possible for a nominee to win the popular vote without getting at least 40% of the Hispanic vote. Bush advocated for amnesty and he won in 2004. Congress did not enbrace the Bush Admin Plan and so the can continued to be kicked into the future.

it seems likely that if the bipartisan Senate bill been put to a vote in the House, it would have passed.
The only reason I think this matters now, is because people seem to be blaming the current President alone for this issue, for taking action where congress has not.

The question that needs to be asked, do you want the President to act on an issue that congress refuses to.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 07:53 AM
 
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Reagan was the author of an amnesty bill. Don't start trying to bring up the Constitution to give him cover.

He DID THAT!

Was it lawful for him to sign a bill authorizing illegal immigrants to remain here and have a path to citizenship?
 
Old 11-20-2014, 08:01 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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If that's the case, why are conservatives so against Obama?

It's not the message, it's the messenger? Is that how you evaluate whether something is right or wrong?

That's pretty pathetic.

Another case of conservative psychosis.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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If that's the case, why are conservatives so against Obama?

It's not the message, it's the messenger? Is that how you evaluate whether something is right or wrong?

That's pretty pathetic.

Another case of conservative psychosis.
You beat me to it

Then perhaps we should all start writing Blogs and Op Ed pieces on how Obama is the re-incarnation of St.Ronnie and then start citing those pieces(of drivel) as facts/proof...it works for the right wingers..that's THEIR version of reality
 
Old 11-20-2014, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants : NPR
Obama steals all of this man's ideas. Frikking liberals. What else can they take from the Gipper.

We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary, and that's crazy. It's time we stopped it….
What we're trying to move against is institutionalized unfairness. We want to see that everyone pays their fair share, and no one gets a free ride. Our reasons? It's good for society when we all know that no one is manipulating the system to their advantage because they're rich and powerful. But it's also good for society when everyone pays something, that everyone makes a contribution.
-Ronald Reagan
Reagans ideas on amnesty??? nope he was against it...amnesty has always been pushed by the freaking liberals


why do liberals constantly push amnesty for illegal actions of people being illegally here

to COMPLETE that picture...there have been 9 amnesty bills, 8 PASSED, since 1965....ALL authored by Ted Kennedy

In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’

Ronald Reagan was opposed to illegal immigration and amnesty. In fact, if you do a little research you will find that stopping illegal immigration was part of the Republican National Committee’s platform back then and Ronald Reagan ran on that platform.

The 1986 Immigration Reform Act that rewarded illegal aliens with amnesty was known as the Simpson-Massoli bill of 1986. When first drafted, the bill was suppose to make it a criminal offense for aliens who were not authorized to work in the United States a federal criminal act and that it would be a federal crime for employers to hire illegal aliens.

Here's what happened, the Democrats in Congress refused to sign on this bill unless the 1.5 million illegal aliens already thought to be in the country illegally and would qualify for amnesty were rewarded amnesty. (reason being, if these illegal’s were to become U.S. citizens, guess what party they would most likely vote for ? )

So the amnesty part was added on to the bill other wise the Democrats wouldn't sign on. And to muffle the out cry, the American people were told that this amnesty was a one time thing and would never be repeated again.

Well the bill passed both houses of Congress and President Reagan signed the bill. In the inner circles of the administration, Ronald Reagan was to have said he may have made a mistake by signing the bill.
Guess what ?, it wasn't 1.5 million illegal aliens who would have qualified for amnesty. It turns out that over 3 million were rewarded with amnesty, mostly because of the fraud that took place during the amnesty process. Phony rent receipts, phony pay check stubs, liberal judges expunging criminal records of illegal aliens!!!

And after the bill became law, you had Teddy Kennedy watering down the enforcement part of the bill that had to do with enforcing and prosecuting employers who hired illegal aliens.

--------------------------

Here is Ted Kennedy commenting on the 1965 immigration bill,Quote
“The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission.” End of Quote.

In 1994, Ted Kennedy’s Section 245(i) Amnesty gave legal residence and jobs to 578,000 illegal aliens. It was a temporary rolling amnesty primarily for extended family members of immigrants who instead of waiting in line, come on to the country illegally.

In 1997, Ted Kennedy’s extension of the Section 245(i) rolling amnesty was followed by an increasing flow of illegal immigration.

In 1997, Ted Kennedy also won an amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America. Illegal immigration sped up some more.

In 1998, Ted Kennedy won an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.

In 2000, Ted Kennedy got the so-called Late Amnesty, legalizing another 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed that they missed out on Kennedy’s 1986 amnesty.

In 2000, Ted Kennedy also won the LIFE Act Amnesty for an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens. It was another reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty...an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens. Illegal immigration accelerated.



no more amnesty
 
Old 11-20-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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If that's the case, why are conservatives so against Obama?
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Sigh, there's some simple thinking from some simple minds around here. Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, a real act of Congress attempting to reform the United States immigration law. Reagan did not try to usurp the power of Congress to push an ideological agenda down America's throat.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 08:43 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Sigh, there's some simple thinking from some simple minds around here. Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, a real act of Congress attempting to reform the United States immigration law. Reagan did not try to usurp the power of Congress to push an ideological agenda down America's throat.
You know, there is an old saying "S hit or get off the pot".

For the last 30-50 years Congress has done nothing about illegal immigration, other than grant amnesty to those already here.

Also, signing an Executive Order is not usurping the power of Congress. Obama is not the first, and certainly will not be the last president to take advantage of EOs.

You just don't like the topic...



I give Obama a lot of credit for taking a stand on immigration and bringing it to the fore. Maybe this will actually get Congress off the pot!
 
Old 11-20-2014, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants : NPR
Obama steals all of this man's ideas. Frikking liberals. What else can they take from the Gipper.


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Amnesty under Reagan was a bipartisan bill like the existing bipartisan Senate bill.
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