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Liberal, democrat, Obama bot, Gruber, all the same thing. All act like an Obama cult member defending Obama no matter what he does.
Where did I defend Obama. And you still haven't told me what a gruber is. And there is a difference between a liberal and a democrat....just as there is a difference between a republican and conservative. Liberal and conservatives are extremists.
Where did I defend Obama. And you still haven't told me what a gruber is. And there is a difference between a liberal and a democrat....just as there is a difference between a republican and conservative. Liberal and conservatives are extremists.
Yet you still defend Obama no matter what he does then deny you do <ROLL EYES>
petch, you can dish it out but you can't take it. Why not answer posts to you instead of deflecting. I'm still waiting for answers but you seem to have none.
petch, you can dish it out but you can't take it. Why not answer posts to you instead of deflecting. I'm still waiting for answers but you seem to have none.
lol, do you mean like you deflect by pointing to Booooooooosh anytime you don't like what is being said.
Well that was a neat trick by Gruber. CPI growth has been very low--it was actually negative in 2009. It was 1.5% last year and 1.4% (estimated) this year.
It's worthless since it's not calculated correctly.
Don't ever forget that it is merely an average. Of averages. Of averages.
You have 1,539 separate economies, that are grouped for statistical purposed into 379 MSAs.
Of that, they select 83 areas for price comparisons.
And then that really only covers Demand-pull Inflation and Cost-push Inflation.
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Originally Posted by wutitiz
I have heard this, in fact a friend told me that anyone under a collective bargaining agreement (i.e. union contract) is exempt. I googled around to find out about this and came up empty.
That would be covered here in Part II:
SEC. 1251. PRESERVATION OF RIGHT TO MAINTAIN EXISTING COVERAGE.
(d) EFFECT ON COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS.—In the case of health insurance coverage maintained pursuant to one or more collective bargaining agreements between employee representatives
and one or more employers that was ratified before the date of enactment of this Act, the provisions of this subtitle and subtitle A (and the amendments made by such subtitles) shall not apply until the date on which the last of the collective bargaining agreements relating to the coverage terminates. Any coverage
amendment made pursuant to a collective bargaining agreement relating to the coverage which amends the coverage solely to conform to any requirement added by this subtitle or subtitle A (or amendments) shall not be treated as a termination of such collective bargaining agreement.
The problem I see is that conflicts with this:
‘‘SEC. 18C. PROTECTIONS FOR EMPLOYEES.
‘‘(2) NO LIMITATION ON RIGHTS.—Nothing in this section shall be deemed to diminish the rights, privileges, or remedies of any employee under any Federal or State law or under any collective bargaining agreement. The rights and remedies in this section may not be waived by any agreement, policy, form, or condition of employment.’’.
Aside from that, I'm not seeing where unions are exempt per se, but the Executive Order Tyrant can pretty much do whatever he wants.
Collectively...
It's worthless since it's not calculated correctly.
Don't ever forget that it is merely an average. Of averages. Of averages.
You have 1,539 separate economies, that are grouped for statistical purposed into 379 MSAs.
Of that, they select 83 areas for price comparisons.
And then that really only covers Demand-pull Inflation and Cost-push Inflation.
That would be covered here in Part II:
SEC. 1251. PRESERVATION OF RIGHT TO MAINTAIN EXISTING COVERAGE.
(d) EFFECT ON COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS.—In the case of health insurance coverage maintained pursuant to one or more collective bargaining agreements between employee representatives
and one or more employers that was ratified before the date of enactment of this Act, the provisions of this subtitle and subtitle A (and the amendments made by such subtitles) shall not apply until the date on which the last of the collective bargaining agreements relating to the coverage terminates. Any coverage
amendment made pursuant to a collective bargaining agreement relating to the coverage which amends the coverage solely to conform to any requirement added by this subtitle or subtitle A (or amendments) shall not be treated as a termination of such collective bargaining agreement.
The problem I see is that conflicts with this:
‘‘SEC. 18C. PROTECTIONS FOR EMPLOYEES.
‘‘(2) NO LIMITATION ON RIGHTS.—Nothing in this section shall be deemed to diminish the rights, privileges, or remedies of any employee under any Federal or State law or under any collective bargaining agreement. The rights and remedies in this section may not be waived by any agreement, policy, form, or condition of employment.’’.
Aside from that, I'm not seeing where unions are exempt per se, but the Executive Order Tyrant can pretty much do whatever he wants.
Collectively...
Mircea
You never cease to amaze me. Thanks for that info. The point about the CPI was that Gruber used it because it was 'not calculated correctly' as you say. The cap will go up every year, but only a little due to the use of CPI. Meanwhile healthcare costs go up at a faster rate, so that every year a few more people are over the cap, and subject to the Cadillac tax. After 20 years, according to Gruber, virtually all will be over the cap.
As for 1251, if that is straight from Obamacare, it was enacted March 2010. I would guess that there will be few if any CBA's ratified before March 2010 that will still be in force in 2018 when the tax kicks in. The CBA's I'm familiar with are usually 3 years, 5 or 6 at most. Thanks again.
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