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Old 11-20-2014, 08:49 PM
 
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I remember during the Clinton administration, when every idea they put forward ended with those words. FOR THE CHILDREN. I hope that isn't going to make a comeback. Hillary was the worst offender. I understand your point though.
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Old 11-20-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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So, move the pipeline so it runs 5 feet outside the reservation boundary.
Problem solved.
HOWEVER, continue to run oil trains and trucks on the rails (if any) and highways that run through the rez.

IMO, it comes down to this: which would you rather have, an oil pipeline going by, or hundreds of thousands of gallons of highly flammable oil in rail cars and trucks going through your towns, by your homes and schools, etc.
Keeping in mind the accidents and massive fires that have already occurred, which do YOU want?
Personally, I would rather have the pipeline.
My point is your not going to eliminate hundreds of thousands of gallons of highly flammable oil in rail cars and trucks going through your towns. The pipeline is not protecting them from anything.

http://www.eia.gov/country/cab.cfm?fips=CA


The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP) projects that by 2016, Canada will transport up to 700,000 bbl/d of crude oil by rail. Current rail loading capacity is estimated at 300,000 bbl/d and is expected to increase to 1 million bbl/d by 2015.

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Old 11-20-2014, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I don't blame the Sioux nation for taking that stance. What if Mexico or Canada said they were gonna run a pipeline, pumping the most toxic crude oil ever captured, through your nation, just to export the product to a foreign land, wouldn't you be against it? Take all the risk with none of the reward?

Wait a minute..........
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:37 PM
 
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I don't blame the Sioux nation for taking that stance. What if Mexico or Canada said they were gonna run a pipeline, pumping the most toxic crude oil ever captured, through your nation, just to export the product to a foreign land, wouldn't you be against it? Take all the risk with none of the reward?

Wait a minute..........

It gets even better!!!


The participation of international oil companies (IOCs), both private and state-owned, in Canada's oil sector has risen rapidly

Chinese companies, including PetroChina and its China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) parent company, the China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC), and Sinopec, have invested heavily in the oil sands and other parts of Canada's energy sector. PetroChina owned a 60% stake of the MacKay River and Dover projects from Athabasca Oil Corporation, followed by full acquisition of MacKay River in January 2012. In 2010, Sinopec acquired ConocoPhillips' stake in Syncrude Canada. One notable foreign acquisition is CNOOC's $15 billion acquisition of Nexen. With the acquisition, CNOOC became the first Chinese company to operate a commercial-scale oil sands operation.

Canada - Analysis - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

more pipeline --- who needs approval, not this one.
http://www.newsweek.com/all-eyes-key...akes-us-285256
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:25 PM
 
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If it's their land and community being affected, then by all means they have a legitimate complaint and a say in what goes on in and on their land.

They would have to have an agreeable arrangement / compensation if they agreed to proceed with it.

Just like any other American who would have their property or lives affected. Nothing new here.

If not they can always plan another route to take for oil delivery.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Rosebud Sioux Declare House Vote in Favor of the Keystone XL Pipeline
is an Act of War
Didn't work out so well for'em the first time around, I doubt it would go much differently a second time.
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Old 11-21-2014, 12:22 AM
 
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"Rosebud Sioux Declare House Vote in Favor of the Keystone XL Pipeline is an Act of War"

I wouldn't be surprised if the pipeline people redraw the lines and just go around the reservation. I've seen companies reroute, it's certainly not uncommon.
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Old 11-21-2014, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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We have a Black uprising getting ready in Ferguson MO.
We have illegals invading from the south into CA, AZ and TX.
And now we have the Indians getting ready to go to war with the US again in South Dakota.

Always something to talk about when it comes to "social justice" in the US.

We have a national guard to handle all the types of situations you mention above. Law and order must be maintained.
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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As long as it isn't run through your backyard.
Actually, the pipeline DOES go through Eastern Montana, which, it could be said, IS my "back yard".
I would gladly grant the pipeline constructors an easement through my pasture to bury their pipe. I might ask them to connect a ground wire to it for me, so the pipe could act as an antenna counterpoise!
Of course, the irrigation ditch company wouldn't like it, and I don't suppose the gravel pit right behind my place would, either
They are planning a freeway bypass for my area, and I was hoping that it would go right through the middle of my place so they would buy me out (I could go get more acreage), but it didn't happen.

Anyway, sorry, you lose.
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Old 11-21-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Oceania
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Hyperbole much? The tribe is just trying to extort a few more bucks out of TC. Most tribes will do anything for some more handouts.
They could build a casino around the area and call it The Keystone. The government would probably build them a road in and out of the place.
How/why are they so bent out of shape because of a pipeline? Little do they know but there are power lines as well as communications lines already on their reservation just like there is in the rest of the USA. Maybe they don't have electricity or internet.

Yeah, that's the ticket
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