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Not many from Harvard though. Although I have known a few kookie types that loafed around doing things like ski patrol and bartending after graduating but it was a choice thing for them.
While I think private schools can admit the student body they want to represent whatever they are going for, public schools are the one who need to deal with the gap in test scores from their incoming freshmen. These are the schools we pay for whether we use them or not.
Remedial classes should only be available at Community Colleges with the goal of getting people up to speed on whatever they lack from their k-12 education and prepare them for doing university level work. There are minimum standards and they can't be tossed out, MINIMUM anything is not the goal of a college education. Additionally, CC's can be the end goal for many who are looking for certifications, job skills, to knock out lower level transfer requirements, or a 2 year degree in whatever subject appeals to them.
There is nothing more schools can do for anyone, if that's not enough then the problem is something else entirely.
You're missing the point. I was making a comparison as to the legal aspect of it as you asserted that just because Harvard is a private school, it can admit whomever it wants.
They can.
Next year they can say that no one with an SAT score over 1000 will be accepted. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
Yeah...let's all have a big ass fight about who can and can't get into a 50k a year private school. LMAO
Basically.
That's what I was saying, LOL!
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated
Yea, affirmative action... the most important thing going on in this country.
/sideye
Get over it. If you don't get into Harvard you probably got into Duke anyway. Put these things in context.
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you couldn't answer the question, could you?
imagine my stunned face
It's a loaded question with no relevance. You didn't respond to my rebuttal.
"imagine my stunned face"
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You can achieve diversity of thought and opinion without using racial preferences in the admissions process. The color of the skin is not indicative of a particular perspective, and assuming that is morally and ethically wrong.
I support this lawsuit completely. Race and ethnicity should not be a factor, and the same standards should apply to every applicant.
I am glad these discriminatory practices are being challenged in court, and I look forward to the day when racial preferences are no longer part of the admissions process.
In a pipe dream sure.
Let's not pretend like America's elite is more than what it is; a country club for rich white men to think of ways to screw everyone else in the world.
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Are you trying to play dumb?
Care to answer the quesiton?
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You think Black Female scores are higher than Black males ?
They need to break down these scores by Female & Male.
Of course they are.
Gender is the first question asked in the questions....
What's your saying is equivalent to saying "Restaurant X is a privately owned business, it can allow to hire anyone it wants and allow whomever it wants to walk into its business as a customer."
Or how about the private Wedding people who don't do Gay Weddings, Flowers and cakes and get sued?
Loaded question Asking a question with a presumption built into it so that it can't be answered without appearing guilty
Why are you assuming Asians are being disadvantaged?
How are certain groups getting an unfair advantage?
You are missing the concept of affirmative action. If a school has a higher admission percentage rate for blacks than whites, it means there is a smaller pool of potential candidates that are black. That in no way is giving an advantage to blacks.
Through policies favoring members of a certain group, or race solely because they are in that group or race. Fill out a college application and the college will more than likely ask for your race. My argument is that a person's race, ethnicity, or gender should not matter, it should not count for or against them. What affirmative action does is keep race in the equation and colleges in multiple circumstances have been caught using it to favor certain groups. That is an unfair advantage to favor certain groups because they are in that group. If a university has a higher admission rate for Blacks versus Hispanics, Whites, or Asians, because the Black applicants are more qualified, fine.
Yes, I know affirmative actions intentions were to try to equalize people in the face of desegregation done using executive orders. While the intentions may have been good, the results meant discriminating on race would still be continued, and court cases, such as Bakke vs Regents of the University of California (1978) and Grutter vs Bollinger (2003) which stated that race could be used as an admission factor, and has been used by a plethora of universities as such. Using race, ethnicity, or gender to someones advantage is unfair, and it is still being done, which is why Harvard and UNC are being sued now. Here is a recent article from Harvard talking about how Harvard is still, even after Fisher vs University of Texas at Austin (2013) using race as a factor in admissions.
Actually, because Harvard accepts Federal student loans, they can't claim total exemption as a private college. So, there is some question there if they would have to fall under Federal case law as a result.
Through policies favoring members of a certain group, or race solely because they are in that group or race. Fill out a college application and the college will more than likely ask for your race. My argument is that a person's race, ethnicity, or gender should not matter, it should not count for or against them. What affirmative action does is keep race in the equation and colleges in multiple circumstances have been caught using it to favor certain groups. That is an unfair advantage to favor certain groups because they are in that group. If a university has a higher admission rate for Blacks versus Hispanics, Whites, or Asians, because the Black applicants are more qualified, fine.
Okay, let me ask you a simple question.
If we remove race from the application and the name on the resume is Juan Mendez, Dontrell Jones, or Ming Yao, do you think that will matter?
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