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Old 11-14-2014, 05:07 PM
 
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Well the President has Veto power if he disagrees.

Congress can also overturn an Executive Order by passing legislation addressing it.
He ONLY has veto powers after a bill is passed.

Once it has been signed by a President, it BECOMES the law, which he took an oath to defend "
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Old 11-14-2014, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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I don't think personally think he should do it. It is too controversial. But I am pretty anti-illegal as a rule.

But hey, he is the President, leader of the Executive Branch. The congress has proven they want to hamstring the guy and make his Presidency ineffectual. Then they can laugh and call the guy a loser. They have made that very clear. So, he must do what he can when he can to lead.
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Old 11-14-2014, 05:29 PM
 
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He denies it and then goes on to say that he 'must' act because Congress hasn't. Basically a non-answer.
How can he deny his own recorded and documented words? He promised he wouldn't "act" in a way that would include EO in regards to illegal immigration. If I were a GOP congressmen I would shove those words down his throat and make sure that every American were made aware of what a liar he is.
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Old 11-14-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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I don't think personally think he should do it. It is too controversial. But I am pretty anti-illegal as a rule.

But hey, he is the President, leader of the Executive Branch. The congress has proven they want to hamstring the guy and make his Presidency ineffectual. Then they can laugh and call the guy a loser. They have made that very clear. So, he must do what he can when he can to lead.
If that's your attitude, you'd better pray there is NEVER another Republican President. Because this executive amnesty will be used as precedent to do by fiat what the next Republican President can't get through Congress.
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Old 11-14-2014, 05:50 PM
 
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How can he deny his own recorded and documented words? He promised he wouldn't "act" in a way that would include EO in regards to illegal immigration. If I were a GOP congressmen I would shove those words down his throat and make sure that every American were made aware of what a liar he is.
So true! I've seen several video clips of him talking about how he wouldn't do this very thing. How procedures were put in place to prevent it from happening and he wouldn't go against it.

I don't see how anyone believes him at this point...
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Old 11-14-2014, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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"Maybe, just maybe they can come up with a bipartisan solution"

It never fails. For 6 years ther dems NEVER "worked for a bipartisan solution", Now that they have lost BIG TIME of course they want to "come up with a bipartisan solution"

Whoda' thunk?
The senate passed a bi-partisan immigration bill, I believe 63-47 it never reached the floor for a vote in the house. They found time to vote down Obama care 54 times but they couldn't allow a vote on the senate bill. Boehner indicated immigration reform was dead last June, now he is indicating that we need to wait until nest year. Threats to impeach a president for executive action shows they have no interest in solutions, just more of the same.

No reasonable reform will get through the house, whatever Obama does can be rescinded in 2017 if the next president chooses to do so. No action has been taken in almost 15 years and this is minor, we need real reform.
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Old 11-14-2014, 06:30 PM
 
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The senate passed a bi-partisan immigration bill, I believe 63-47 it never reached the floor for a vote in the house. They found time to vote down Obama care 54 times but they couldn't allow a vote on the senate bill. Boehner indicated immigration reform was dead last June, now he is indicating that we need to wait until nest year. Threats to impeach a president for executive action shows they have no interest in solutions, just more of the same.

No reasonable reform will get through the house, whatever Obama does can be rescinded in 2017 if the next president chooses to do so. No action has been taken in almost 15 years and this is minor, we need real reform.
The House is coequal with the Senate. If your "reasonable" bill could not pass the House the options are to 1) pass a bill the House can accept or 2) win the House. Your side totally failed at both, proving that your side is not in line with the wishes of the American people.

All of this overlooks the FACT that the extreme left could have passed any immigration bill it wanted after the 2008 election. So, it's really the Democrats and Obama who are the do-nothing obstructionists. That doesn't stop them and their shills of claiming the Republicans are exactly what they are.
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Old 11-14-2014, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The House is coequal with the Senate. If your "reasonable" bill could not pass the House the options are to 1) pass a bill the House can accept or 2) win the House. Your side totally failed at both, proving that your side is not in line with the wishes of the American people.

All of this overlooks the FACT that the extreme left could have passed any immigration bill it wanted after the 2008 election. So, it's really the Democrats and Obama who are the do-nothing obstructionists. That doesn't stop them and their shills of claiming the Republicans are exactly what they are.
You're ignoring the simple fact that the house could have just voted on the bi-partisan senate version.
Enough with the my side is better than yours, answer the question why the house never allowed a vote, maybe the well was already poisoned.


Pass a bill that the house can accept, in my dreams.
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Old 11-14-2014, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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You're ignoring the simple fact that the house could have just voted on the bi-partisan senate version.
Enough with the my side is better than yours, answer the question why the house never allowed a vote, maybe the well was already poisoned.

Pass a bill that the house can accept, in my dreams.
And you think that's good enough reason for the President to act unilaterally? Just ignore the construct of our government?
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Old 11-14-2014, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And you think that's good enough reason for the President to act unilaterally? Just ignore the construct of our government?
I think it has been a dereliction of duty of congress to enact the legislation going back to Bush, we have already seen this movie. Boehner seems to be suddenly optimistic, that is misguided.

Other presidents used executive action for amnesty although not to this extent.
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