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Old 11-24-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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Now he can focus on criminals and high risk illegals rather than individuals who are raising families and have resided here for 5 years or more without breaking any laws except the misdemeanor of crossing the border.
He wasn't given the funds to do both.
Therefor prosecutorial discretion.
Is this that focus you speak of?

An internal Department of Homeland Security document compiling statistics on arrests and deportations in 2013 showed that ICE agents encountered 193,357 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions but issued charging documents for only 125,478. More than 67,800 were released.

The data came from an end-of-year “Weekly Departures and Detention Report.”
DHS document: 68,000 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions released in 2013 | TheHill
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Old 11-24-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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Is this that focus you speak of?

An internal Department of Homeland Security document compiling statistics on arrests and deportations in 2013 showed that ICE agents encountered 193,357 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions but issued charging documents for only 125,478. More than 67,800 were released.

The data came from an end-of-year “Weekly Departures and Detention Report.”
DHS document: 68,000 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions released in 2013 | TheHill
Was that report released before the EO order was implemented or after? Looks like that targets the exact issue the EO is designed to address. Lack of resources to effectively hold and prosecute the convicted criminal, so they have to prioritize. Pretty much what they do in american jails when they become too overcrowded.

Let's see what those figures are a year from now when the EO has been in effect and DHS can concentrate on rounding up and prosecuting those individuals instead of wasting their limited resources congress hamstrings them with, on immigrant families, who have lived here for years..
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Old 11-24-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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*boggle*

uhhhhhh....while he can pardon past illegal behavior, I don't think he can pardon ongoing behavior.
One minute after the pardon, they are still illegally in the country. Obama would have to change the existing immigration law.
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Old 11-24-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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Was that report released before the EO order was implemented or after? Looks like that targets the exact issue the EO is designed to address. Lack of resources to effectively hold and prosecute the convicted criminal, so they have to prioritize. Pretty much what they do in american jails when they become too overcrowded.

Let's see what those figures are a year from now when the EO has been in effect and DHS can concentrate on rounding up and prosecuting those individuals instead of wasting their limited resources on immigrant families who have lived here for years..
If you want to cut the numbers, the wise thing would be to stem the flow versus open the door. He didn't issue and EO to say he wanted to focus on employers hiring, or on border security (both of which would have been consistent with existing law) he countered the law and made it easier for illegal immigrants.
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Old 11-24-2014, 02:06 PM
 
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you're right. the courts know much more about the finer points of constitutional law than you or I do.

Thank God, you and I are still able to post our opinions on forums concerning the issue without undue harassment.

what a boring existence it would be if we couldn't.
This is like telling drug dealers to pay their taxes and you'll turn your head on their illegal activity..
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Old 11-24-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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Can you site his constitutional objection to immigration law? He isn't making that claim.
I don't think he has to lay out a Constitutional argument in terms of offering amnesty. When Johnson offered amnesty to Confederates, and reinstated their citizenship, it was within his purview.
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Old 11-24-2014, 02:09 PM
 
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When did Congress authorize ANY fee charged to those illegally here? Even income taxes, would be illegal considering their income is illegal.

Its like assessing income taxes to a drug dealer. Yes the taxes are due, but this doesnt mean the drug dealer is now acceptable into society.
Stop. Just stop. Ever hear of Al Capone?
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Old 11-24-2014, 02:11 PM
 
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Stop. Just stop. Ever hear of Al Capone?
Yeah, you made my point for me and didnt even realize it.. Go back and try to re-comprehend the point.

Here, let me hold your hand.

ITS NOT OK IF YOU PAY YOUR TAXES FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.. An illegal act is STILL illegal if Congress makes it illegal..
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Old 11-24-2014, 02:14 PM
 
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When you offer legal status, you are saying the law does not apply to these millions of people and you are acting in direct contradiction to existing law. It's not saying we're not going to prosecute. It's saying you are legal.
The attorney general is authorized by federal law to issue work authorizations for immigrants, including those who came undocumented. The work permits discussed in the news are those precise authorizations.

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When did Congress authorize ANY fee charged to those illegally here? Even income taxes, would be illegal considering their income is illegal.

Its like assessing income taxes to a drug dealer. Yes the taxes are due, but this doesnt mean the drug dealer is now acceptable into society.
You still have not named a fee in the EO that is not authorized by Congress. Your analogy is not apt. It's more like assessing income taxes to someone who works, and then requiring that person to pay them.
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Old 11-24-2014, 02:23 PM
 
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You still have not named a fee in the EO that is not authorized by Congress. Your analogy is not apt. It's more like assessing income taxes to someone who works, and then requiring that person to pay them.
They must pass a criminal background check.. FEE that they wouldnt otherwise had incurred
There is an application fee, I hear its something like $500, which they wouldnt be paying had they remained illegal..

While Congress might have designated these fees on people to become LEGAL citizens, they have NEVER assessed them on illegals. This is no different than getting a drivers license to vote and being told it has to be free because the fee to do so is a TAX.

All of this requires new paperwork to be filed, and all of it requires more federal employees, of which Congress has NOT authorized funding for..

No matter how many times you try to pretend Congress authorized this, they didnt..
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