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Old 12-07-2014, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Agreed--Islam is as much a political as a religious ideation. And it is inimical to the US Constitution and to liberty. But we don't ban ideas in this country, whether communism or Islam.
No but we grant tax breaks.
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Old 12-07-2014, 08:03 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Cities pay out all the time if they lose a case for a violations of a private person's constitutional rights. That is why cities, counties, etc. tend to be very conservative when it comes to denying someone or a business a permit, for instance. The City will pay for this denial as well.

Never to the federal government, who would be the court handling it.
A city, town, county and states, treasuries are immune to federal confiscation.
Only individuals that have money in the bank and real property as assets that can be seized, get oppressed by the federal government.
The Federal government would have to do like they did after the civil war and reconstruction(reconstitution) of the southern states and appointing the federal governments own puppets in positions of power within the city legislature. The city would revolt and kill those guys and gals.
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Old 12-07-2014, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Jesus sat with the sinners.

Kennesaw looks at Jesus and says, That's awesome bro, we don't hang with just anyone, you know?
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Old 12-07-2014, 08:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The KKK was a religion too......
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Old 12-07-2014, 08:09 AM
 
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This thread once again highlights the hypocrisy of some on their interpretation of the US Constitution. It goes like this: "I believe in constitutional rights so long as those rights only belong to people who believe like me". A fine argument if you really don't believe, or perhaps understand, the rule of law or the constitution for that matter. But since we live in a land that ostensibly prizes the rule of law that argument does not get far in the courts.
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Old 12-07-2014, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Never to the federal government, who would be the court handling it.
A city, town, county and states, treasuries are immune to federal confiscation.
Only individuals that have money in the bank and real property as assets that can be seized, get oppressed by the federal government.
The Federal government would have to do like they did after the civil war and reconstruction(reconstitution) of the southern states and appointing the federal governments own puppets in positions of power within the city legislature. The city would revolt and kill those guys and gals.

If a Federal Judge finds that they violated the religious rights of the Muslims the city will pay in civil court, you can't just deny a religious group a place of worship.
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Old 12-07-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Separation of church and state.
No separation of church and people. A vote was taken by the people.

The state didn't refuse it. The people did.
By voting through the state. Just because the people did it, does not mean the state doesn't become the enforcer. That's still a violation of rights. If a majority rule voted out gun ownership, I'm sure you'd claim that's unconstitutional (as would I). What would the difference be?

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The First Amendment was really designed to protect the Christian Church from the government declaring one Christian sect as the only recognized church (as Virginia had done, and also as the Church of England had been).
Right, well, that might not even be true, but I'll let that slide for now. I'll even assume it is for the sake of the argument, though I can't make this clear enough: there is no concrete evidence that all of the founding fathers were devout Christians; some were, some weren't.

It's basically common knowledge that the Bill of Right was written to be intentionally vague. This was done to accommodate the acquisition of new ideas, as made clear by the 9th amendment that clealry states not all rights that man deserves are specifically stated in the Constitution. We all know the founding fathers were white supremacists (or at the very least, the vast majority were), but that does not mean there believes are the only valid ones within the Constitution. So even if they were only in favor of Christianity, the Bill of Rights is not required nor expected to be interpreted that way.
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Old 12-07-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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Why allow to build a place of "worship" that reads from a barbaric book telling its adherents to kill infidels who don't obey Islamic law, not to trust and take Jews and Christians as your friend, to stone and kill homosexuals and adultery, treat women as second class citizen, etc. etc. etc.

People decided - not the government! The peple don't want terrorism training in their neighborhood!
They already have got that training camp. According to the FBI website it's just down the road a bit in Commerce, GA. I-75 to 285 to 85. Boom... an hour later a person can be a terrorist.
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Old 12-07-2014, 08:12 AM
 
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Never to the federal government, who would be the court handling it.
A city, town, county and states, treasuries are immune to federal confiscation.
Only individuals that have money in the bank and real property as assets that can be seized, get oppressed by the federal government.
The Federal government would have to do like they did after the civil war and reconstruction(reconstitution) of the southern states and appointing the federal governments own puppets in positions of power within the city legislature. The city would revolt and kill those guys and gals.
It can get complicated with waiver of Sovereign immunity laws, but needless to say is that government, state, local and federal, pay out all the time. If not, then how would the private person enforce their constitutional rights?
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Old 12-07-2014, 08:25 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Just look at isis or sharia for (fill in country here) or watch Muslim leaders discuss how to implement the sharia. The goal is for every country to become a new Islamic state like isis. If I want to rent space for a group that openly discussed the overthrow of the rule of law then not only would I be denied but I'd also likely be arrested. But islam can do it because it's a "religion".
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