Obamacare Architect Jonathon Gruber: Abortion Of 'Marginal Children' A 'Social Good' (racist, ideology)
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Abortion is and always has been available to affluent women. Legal or not, women with money could both afford to find a medical practitioner for the procedure, and were able to travel to wherever they needed.
It is poor women that have difficulty in obtaining abortions. And the laws and restrictions against abortion have an undue impact on the poor.
It is also the poor that are largely the victims in our society of criminal acts and violence.
August, 1969, Tait/La Bianca murders; June, 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson/Ronald Goldman, murdered; April, 1984, Marvin Gaye, murdered; May, 1998, Phil Hartman, murdered; April, 1968, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., murdered; December, 1980, John Lennon, murdered; November, 2006, Adrienne Shelly (actress), murdered
Just a random sampling.
If it were possible to totally eliminate poverty (which according to you, the poor are the main victims of acts of violence) we would still have murder, rape, armed robbery and other crimes. This is because men are not angels. Evil exists at all societal levels. This is the flaw in "Progressive" thinking (which is a major premise of "Progressivism," that man has "progressed").
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
By making abortion available to the poor, you reduce the need for welfare,
Sacrificing the life of the unborn does not reduce the need for welfare. Welfare has been increased (especially in the last six years) regardless of any abortion statistics. Welfare increases are motivated by politics, not poverty concerns, and these increases have not reduced poverty, but have increased it.
The Republican "Welfare to work" program (signed into law by president Bill Clinton) was highly successful. Welfare was reduced as recipients went back to work and were no longer in need of assistance. This was ended by Barack Obama, and welfare has skyrocketed under his administration.
This is irrespective of legal abortion being available to all women, rich or poor.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
you reduce the stresses that cause crime, you even make it possible for women in poverty to get out of poverty. And therefore you reduce the reliance on safety nets provided by and PAID FOR by society.
What "stresses" cause crime? Can you prove that crimes are caused by "stress?" Did Michael Brown commit robbery because he was under stress?
There are crimes of passion, crimes motivated by greed, and crimes motivated by hate. Name some crimes that were attributable to "stress."
Moreover, please show us how abortion has reduced poverty.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
It has nothing to do with eugenics.
For Margarette Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, it had everything to do with eugenics.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
The study was a practical analysis, an exercise in logic. It's conclusions were supported by actual numbers and statistics. SCIENCE.
And yet again, we have right-wingers pretending that science is somehow immoral.
True science is neither moral or immoral. Science is science. But data can be used for immoral purposes, such as to justify the killing of human beings still in the womb (or during or immediately following birth).
Murder is murder. Our Declaration of Independence says that "all men are created equal ... endowed by their Creator [God] with certain unalienable Rights..." The first of these is Life. Once that life is created, the taking of that life at the hands of another is called "murder," (which is the shedding of innocent blood). Pretending that it is not human does not change the fact of its being human, in every respect. For what else is it, if it isn't human? It is human flesh (separate from its mothers), it has a beating heart, and it is alive.
LOL. Yes, Google is "uber liberal" but Breitbart is completely objective. And the funniest part of this absurdity is that I have no doubt you believe it. More nonsense from the uber nonsense guy.
Oh, I get it. Professor Gruber lied about being in the room. Now, we are to believe the models he concocted are above reproach, are pure math, econonomic, even science. Believe the models conclusions, but not his many video performances?
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Originally Posted by Votre_Chef
He got the job because he ran the same microsimulation models in creating Romneycare in Massachusetts.
The CBO wasn't "conned" (do you even know how Obamacare was actually created?). His models were designed to predict what the CBO would conclude when they ran their own models (which he had nothing at all to do with).
From the politifact article:
John McDonough, a Harvard health policy professor who was a senior adviser to the Senate Health and Education Committee when the law was written, told PolitiFact that Gruber’s involvement was important, but it did not involve the actual writing of the bill.
"Jon had designed an economic model to be able to estimate any changing set of parameters like how much a policy would cost and how many people would get covered and various other effects," said McDonough, who also worked with Gruber in Massachusetts. "In 2009 and 2010 he took a year off from his teaching and other duties and worked out of his home in Lexington, Mass., and was basically on call almost 24-7 to run various models for us."
"But he was not in the room in the determination of what policies would be in or not be in the law," McDonough added. "I was one of an army of people who were in the room at various times. Jon was not."
I can't figure out why people on this thread are arguing. It is well documented that there was a very significant eugenics movement in the western world in the first 1/2 of so of the 20th Century. The idea was to get rid of "undesirables" populations. Sanger and planned parenthood were part of the result of this philosophy as was Hitlers attempt to exterminate the Jews. Sanger wanted to eliminate the blacks and others who were a drag on society because of their dependence and crime.
Need I remind you that search engines don't actually rewrite the content they link to?
You obviously think I'm stupid. As a Webmaster and Web designer, familiar with search engines and SEO, I know how search engines work.
But using of any search engine does not guarantee the accuracy of the content of any Web site that is presented to you. That is what I said.
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Originally Posted by TrexDigit
If you think Breitbart's trustworthy, I've got some great oceanfront land for sale here in Colorado.
Do you think MSNBC is trustworthy? How about Daily Kos? Is Media Matters a trustworthy source? Is "Think Progress" an unbiased and trustworthy source? How about the "Southern Poverty Law Center?" Unbiased?
I would sooner trust Breitbart to any of those sources, or the New York Times, or CNBC, or ABC, CBS, NBC, et al, who are all run by, staffed by and funded by Leftists, and former Democrat operatives. After all, Leftist icon and god, Chris Matthews, got his start in Democrat politics. He isn't a journalist, and is certainly not unbiased.
How many people can you name that are the brains behind conservative media (Breitbart, PJMedia, World Net Daily, etc.) who are ex-politicians? List them, please.
I keep thinking of Margaret Sanger when I read this....
".... Gruber’s abortion advocacy is of a particularly pungent eugenics variety. He’s on record repeatedly making the case from social science that abortion is a “social good” because it reduces the number of “marginal children,” by which he means urban poor—those he says can be counted on to commit crimes if they were ever born.
Gruber co-authored a paper during the Clinton years which argued that legal abortion had saved the U.S. taxpayer upwards of $14 billion in welfare benefits and that it also lowered crime......"
Planned Parenthood received $363.2 million in government grants and contracts during its 2008-2009 fiscal year....According to a fact sheet on Planned Parenthood's Web site, the organization performed 324,008 abortions in calendar year 2008. That was up from 305,310 in 2007 and 289,750 in 2006.....
Planned Parenthood receives federal tax dollars through Title X of the Public Health Service Act of 1970. The funding is for reproductive health care services, including family planning, and cannot be directly spent on actual abortion procedures except in cases of rape, incest or to preserve the life of the mother.
see the word DIRECTLY and EXCEPT
In addition to the number of abortions in 2008, the Planned Parenthood fact sheet, dated current as of September 2010, shows that the organization provided 1,436,808 emergency contraception kits to women in 2008.
the RECIEVE federal money,,and the PERFORM abortions.....nuff said
planned parenthood (a eugentics program, ) should be abolished
The US eugenics movement had ties to the Nazis and the third reich.
eugenic program, sterilized the mentally ill, and homeless ..that is FACT...many believe we should do it to welfare RIGHT NOW, becuase they keep getting prego to stay on welfare
up until the 1980's mentally handicaped to include autistic( usually classified as pediatric schitzophenia) was institutionalized....many believ they should still be
btw the autisim 'epidemic' is from the REclassification from mentally ill, to disabled......btw 90% of the homeless as mentally ill
The modern field and term were first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1883, drawing on the recent work of his half-cousin Charles Darwin. At its peak of popularity eugenics was supported by prominent people, including Winston Churchill, Margaret Sanger, Marie Stopes, H. G. Wells, Theodore Roosevelt, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, John Harvey Kellogg, Linus Pauling and Sidney Webb. Eugenics became an academic discipline at many colleges and universities, and received funding from many sources. Three International Eugenics Conferences presented a global venue for eugenicists with meetings in 1912 in London, and in 1921 and 1932 in New York. Eugenic policies were first implemented in the early 1900s in the United States. Later, in the 1920s and 30s, the eugenic policy of sterilizing certain mental patients was implemented in a variety of other countries, including Belgium, Brazil, Canada, France, and Sweden, among others.
The term eugenics is often used to refer to movements and social policies influential during the early 20th century. In a historical and broader sense, eugenics can also be a study of "improving human genetic qualities." It is sometimes broadly applied to describe any human action whose goal is to improve the gene pool. Some forms of infanticide in ancient societies, present-day reprogenetics, preemptive abortions and designer babies have been (sometimes controversially) referred to as eugenic. Eugenics has also been concerned with the elimination of hereditary diseases such as hemophilia and Huntington's disease( which ran in my family).
btw..liberals still push eugenics..its caled abortion
Other prominent figures in the Eugenics included Harry Laughlin (United States), Havelock Ellis (United Kingdom), Irving Fischer (United States), Eugen Fischer (Germany), Madison Grant (United States), Lucien Howe (United States), and Margaret Sanger (United States, founder of Planned Parenthood).
Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted.
While Planned Parenthood's current apologists try to place some distance between the eugenics and birth control movements, history definitively says otherwise. The eugenic theme figured prominently in the Birth Control Review, which Sanger founded in 1917. She published such articles as "Some Moral Aspects of Eugenics" (June 1920), "The Eugenic Conscience" (February 1921), "The purpose of Eugenics" (December 1924), "Birth Control and Positive Eugenics" (July 1925), "Birth Control: The True Eugenics" (August 1928), and many others.
BlackGenocide.org | The Truth About Margaret Sanger
Really? What is that in a pregnant mothers womb? Oh, yeah, you pro-aborts call him/her "a blob of cells." Well, you are also a cluster of cells. See, when we dehumanize anyone, it's easy to kill them.
Have you ever seen a picture of a 10 week old fetus? Attachment 140865 Does this look like "just a blob of cells?"
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