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Old 12-08-2014, 06:51 PM
 
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To be fair, I do not think that was the initial intent of the law even if it was worded in a such a way as being overly broad.

The original intent was to excuse those clerks who are opposed to same-sex marriages the responsibility of issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couple. I am not saying city or county clerks should be excused from doing their sworn duties ... could you imagine a clerk in city hall denying a Jewish couple a marriage license because they believe only Christian marriages are legitimate???

This law will not stand.

It's a pathetic attempt to put a hurdle for same-sex marriage, which will be legal in every state soon.
Exactly, where does it end? Should Catholic court clerks be allowed to refuse to issue a marriage license to legally divorced couples because remarriage goes against their religion?

 
Old 12-08-2014, 06:52 PM
 
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To be fair, I do not think that was the initial intent of the law even if it was worded in a such a way as being overly broad.

The original intent was to excuse those clerks who are opposed to same-sex marriages the responsibility of issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couple. I am not saying city or county clerks should be excused from doing their sworn duties ... could you imagine a clerk in city hall denying a Jewish couple a marriage license because they believe only Christian marriages are legitimate???

This law will not stand.

It's a pathetic attempt to put a hurdle for same-sex marriage, which will be legal in every state soon.
This bill is similar to the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Freedom Act passed under the Clinton administration, and laws in other states. It will stand.
 
Old 12-08-2014, 06:52 PM
 
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Michigan House Passed Bill Allowing EMTs To Refuse Treatment To Gay People


Wow, just wow.the right goes further and further to the right every day. I wish I could say that I. Am shocked, but we are talking about the right here.
That's what happens when you force a baker to serve people he believes are sinners. You get a bill that leaves it up to the person whether to serve. Here you have right to refuse service to anyone but we have no EMTs refusing service. Force one thing then you have a reaction to it.
 
Old 12-08-2014, 06:52 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Regardless of any gay or religious issues, people should either do their job or get a new one.
 
Old 12-08-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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Regardless of any gay or religious issues, people should either do their job or get a new one.
Explain what that "job" is when it's your own business?

Or your own farm?

Or your own studio?

You should NEVER be compelled to do ANYTHING. We outlawed slavery already, becaues it's wrong. Liberals are now trying to re-institute it, making the very same argument that slave owners of centuries past used - the benefit of "society".
 
Old 12-08-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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Michigan House Passed Bill Allowing EMTs To Refuse Treatment To Gay People


Wow, just wow.the right goes further and further to the right every day. I wish I could say that I. Am shocked, but we are talking about the right here.
Did you know better and lie or were you just suckered in by something you wanted to believe?

I need to know this before I ask you to invest in my unicorn ranch....
 
Old 12-08-2014, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Except it's not true. I used to live there. I used to be an EMT there. I know many EMTs and Medics there still. Not a one sees it that way.
Snopes

The snopes article you linked says its a mixture, depending on the claim that is made. There isn't specific language about EMT's in there, but it certainly is a possibility.

From your own link

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FALSE: The state of Michigan has passed a bill that specifically provides emergency medical personnel with a blanket exemption from treating gay patients.

TRUE: The Michigan House of Representatives has passed a religious freedom bill that might potentially allow emergency medical personnel to exercise religious objections to treating gay patients.
 
Old 12-08-2014, 07:44 PM
 
Location: exit 0
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The snopes article you linked says its a mixture, depending on the claim that is made. There isn't specific language about EMT's in there, but it certainly is a possibility.

From your own link
Yes, I saw that. However, I read things and take them at their face value. I didn't write the law so I don't have any idea what the underlying intent is, IF there is one. I have no interest in being outraged about things that may or may not happen. But, it's ok. People will be outraged and expend energy on that make-believe monster hiding under the bed until either it is revealed that it is real or if it comes to life.
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Old 12-08-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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The radical Left cannot win except through lies and distortion. That's how Obama got into power. Thankfully, America is waking up.
In regards to the topic of this particular thread, no.

Last edited by Ibginnie; 12-08-2014 at 08:18 PM.. Reason: off topic
 
Old 12-08-2014, 07:57 PM
 
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Michigan House Passed Bill Allowing EMTs To Refuse Treatment To Gay People


Wow, just wow.the right goes further and further to the right every day. I wish I could say that I. Am shocked, but we are talking about the right here.
"Further and further right?" Just as I would I could say I am shocked by a comment as moronic as yours, but we are talking about the left here.

For your education: conservatism is a political philosophy. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Banning EMTs from treating gay people is not a rightwing thing to do. It's a totalitarian thing, not a right-left thing. Homosexuality was a crime punishable by prison in the Soviet Union. Was the Soviet Union right wing?

Last edited by Ibginnie; 12-08-2014 at 08:18 PM.. Reason: rude
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