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First, I'm from Oklahoma and I'm part Cherokee Indian. This isn't about races, it is about people. People being largely a cultural phenomenon. I didn't like Florida not only because it was full of Cubans and Haitians. I didn't like the "Northerners" who flooded the place either.
I hate it when people from other states come and live in my state. They almost always have crappy attitudes, they love to talk crap about my state, and they have an obsession with trying to make my state more like theirs. I don't even like seeing license plates from other states. Makes me want to run them off the road.
I say, if you don't like my state, go back to yours and don't come back. And the further away someone's home state is from my state, the more I don't like them. I can tolerate Texans, but people from most other states are downright obnoxious.
For that matter, we might think diversity is interesting. But no one really wants to live among diversity.
I always imagine a country like a big family. In that sense, I imagine a country like "one big house". When I think of who I might want to share a country with, I think, "Who would I want to share a house with?".
I don't hate Jews or Muslims or Hindus or Mexicans or blacks or anyone for that matter. But in almost all cases, unless you are very culturally/linguistically/ethnically/religiously similar to me, I wouldn't let you live with me.
Why in the hell would I want to live in a house with a person who can't even speak my language? Why would I want my children living with someone of a religion that I find to be oppressive, or dangerous?
No, I think deep-down everyone wants to live in their homogeneous world. And they surround themselves with people "like them".
There is nothing wrong with it, that is just human nature.
Your just a miserable person that hates life and that is why you can't be around other people I'm seriously not trying to pick on you I'm just being honest. With comments like the below....
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I hate it when people from other states come and live in my state.
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I don't even like seeing license plates from other states. Makes me want to run them off the road.
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And the further away someone's home state is from my state, the more I don't like them.
^The above screams I hate my life.
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For that matter, we might think diversity is interesting. But no one really wants to live among diversity.
^Honestly I'd take diversity over everything being the same...that's just extremely boring.
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I don't hate Jews or Muslims or Hindus or Mexicans or blacks or anyone for that matter. But in almost all cases, unless you are very culturally/linguistically/ethnically/religiously similar to me, I wouldn't let you live with me.
Your just a miserable person that hates life and that is why you can't be around other people I'm seriously not trying to pick on you I'm just being honest. With comments like the below....
^The above screams I hate my life.
Look, I don't want everything being the same. What I'm saying is, people are drawn to similar people.
You make friends who are largely just like you. You marry someone who is largely just like you. You want to live near people who are largely just like you. You want to work with people who are largely just like you. And more importantly, you tend to trust people who are largely just like you.
I like to think of my view of the world as being a "naturalist" view. Basically in that humans are tribal by their nature. Social diversity like we have it now, is an entirely new concept. It has never existed to any real extent at any time in history. People have always lived in communities which are largely homogeneous and separated from the outside world.
I always consider this to be a form of "voluntary segregation". Basically, if government was to completely collapse tomorrow. The people in this country would be split up into thousands of small, very homogeneous communities. You cannot sustain diversity without government, period. It has never been, and it cannot be.
In my view, the government's attempts at "integration"(think forced busing), are not only going against human nature itself. But it is actually harmful. It destroys the entire fabric of society, and makes us trust each other less.
This isn't something I concocted out of my imagination. These are things which have been studied and confirmed, even by people who actually support diversity.
With that said, we need to keep in mind that I'm basically a minarchist or anarcho-voluntaryist. Which means, I am not trying to prevent diversity if that is what people are actually seeking out. I am merely trying to prevent the government forcing it onto us.
To understand my point, you should read this article.
I didn't get it before but now I do: black metal misanthropy!!! \m/\m/
I do see your point. Unless you're into metal you're no friend of mine. I want nothing but long haired, metal jacket, corpse paint, Darkthrone wearing evil SOBs around me!!
Not really but your post is very black metal! \m/
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Look, I don't want everything being the same. What I'm saying is, people are drawn to similar people.
You make friends who are largely just like you. You marry someone who is largely just like you. You want to live near people who are largely just like you. You want to work with people who are largely just like you. And more importantly, you tend to trust people who are largely just like you.
I like to think of my view of the world as being a "naturalist" view. Basically in that humans are tribal by their nature. Social diversity like we have it now, is an entirely new concept. It has never existed to any real extent at any time in history. People have always lived in communities which are largely homogeneous and separated from the outside world.
I always consider this to be a form of "voluntary segregation". Basically, if government was to completely collapse tomorrow. The people in this country would be split up into thousands of small, very homogeneous communities. You cannot sustain diversity without government, period. It has never been, and it cannot be.
In my view, the government's attempts at "integration"(think forced busing), are not only going against human nature itself. But it is actually harmful. It destroys the entire fabric of society, and makes us trust each other less.
This isn't something I concocted out of my imagination. These are things which have been studied and confirmed, even by people who actually support diversity.
With that said, we need to keep in mind that I'm basically a minarchist or anarcho-voluntaryist. Which means, I am not trying to prevent diversity if that is what people are actually seeking out. I am merely trying to prevent the government forcing it onto us.
To understand my point, you should read this article.
Your just a miserable person that hates life and that is why you can't be around other people I'm seriously not trying to pick on you I'm just being honest. With comments like the below....
I want to add one more thing. From that link I gave you by Peter Hitchens. There is this quote...
"I have imagined what it might be like to have grown old while stranded in shabby, narrow streets where my neighbours spoke a different language and I gradually found myself becoming a lonely, shaky voiced stranger in a world I once knew, but which no longer knew me.
I have felt deeply, hopelessly sorry that I did and said nothing in defence of those whose lives were turned upside down, without their ever being asked, and who were warned very clearly that, if they complained, they would be despised outcasts."
I think the major problem with diversity in any given area, is that it destroys any sense of community.
My dream when I was younger was always to buy a large property and build houses for all my friends/family. I have done this somewhat with where I live now. My niece often refers to it as "Burnsland"(derived from my last name).
Regardless, my ideal world would be one where everyone around me were people who were basically similar to me. Where I felt safe and comfortable. I can't imagine "Burnsland" being bettered by bringing in a bunch of foreigners. Not just from other countries, but even from other parts of this country.
It might still be nice to go see other people from time to time. I like cultural parades as much as the next guy. But I don't want to live there. And I certainly don't want to be "ruled" by foreigners.
What people don't understand, is that Democracy means everyone rules each other. And I no more want to be ruled by New York as I want to be ruled by Canada or China.
Look at it like this. I look at the United States similarly to how I look at the United Nations. Who thinks America should give up its sovereignty to the United Nations? Who wants America's 300 million people voting against China's 1.35 billion people? Who even wants America's 300 million people voting alongside Europeans?
In the same way America is different from Europe or China. I feel like many parts of America are even more different from other parts of America, than America is different from Canada, or even parts of Europe.
Basically, I think many northern states have more in common with Canada than they do the southern states. And parts of Southern states have more in common with Mexico than the rest of America. So why does it make sense for Maine, Vermont, or even Washington State to be a part of America, and be ruled by Washington D.C.?
To me, the relationship between New York and Oklahoma is no different than the relationship between America and China. I don't want China to have power over America, and I don't want New York to have power over Oklahoma.
I think people have these obsessions with ideas. They are told they are supposed to feel a certain way about something, usually by politicians, or their peers. Never really asking the question, "Why?".
What is it that we really want? Do you really want your neighborhood filled with foreigners? Or even people who don't speak English? Or even people who like different sports teams. What kind of relationship would you have with your neighbors, if everyone in your neighborhood spoke a different language than you, and were of a different religion than you?
That was the funniest thing I've seen written in years on this forum.
Are you seriously saying that Lincoln would have just let the south secede?
Do you even know where Fort Sumter is?
The Seychelles?
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Oppression in rural America is some stolen cows, that you have to round up a posse and get your guns to go get them back. Problem solved! Let freedom ring!
In urban America where everyone is packed in like sardines, they have you unarmed, so all you can do is throw a fit like a 4 year old, and shoot you when the rent-a-cops the city hires, bullies you and you don't like it. The problem is never ending. More oppression, the tantrum and screaming gets louder, then they break everything in their reach, with no self control.
Pretty sure they think twice and think long and hard to not pizz off the rural folks. That is why you see less protest.
Urban areas are armed just fine.
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I'd agree but; there would've been something else IMHO to set off that war if NOT Sumpter.
A civil war is exactly what the US needs. Maybe not what the world needs, but the world can fend for itself.
Really.
The only thing that makes this country united is the money, and the great scheme that allows that pyramid to exist. Even white liberals lie about diversity in that they really can't stomach it unless the people around them are assimilated into their dominant culture. They can be any color they like as long as they 'act white'. But quasi-socialists love nationalism as it allows their madness to coalesce.
Liberals don't comprehend why they are so disliked for their national-minded socialism if only because they are exactly like old-school religionists. If people only went to college (seminary) and learned how wonderful it is to be open-minded and informed (righteous hypocrites) then everyone would be happy to live in diversity (using undocumented third-world peoples as indentured servants) and they can then use their mostly useless degrees (indoctrinations) to help the poor (indoctrinate them) and pay it all forward (motivate people to hock their lives for bank loans) so everyone can be on the same page (so help us Mao) in a like-minded (lock-step) society (a more practical, just-as-theoretical Christian heaven-on-earth scenario) where all would be perfectly run by government (church) led by a proper and correct (liberal-socialist) president (pope) and Congress (cardinals) who revere science and humanity (secularism) administered by scientific experts and state-minded humanists (clergy).
Oh, liberals don't care about skin color or even greed- they want it all! They want cultural assimilation camouflaged by a façade of lies.
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Several years ago when I lived in Seattle I turned a corner and saw a late middle-aged white woman attempting to violently grapple an elderly Hindi woman (in front of her family!) as she wore an auspicious svasti around her neck that had sent the progressive white lady into a tizzy. I had to break this argument up and inform the poor Seattleite just what the symbol actually meant to the Hindi woman and that she was not a confused pawn of the numerous local neo-Nazis. In fact, I had to school her on what Aryan meant and where the word came from. To save face she still screamed that the Hindi lady was "...in America now!" and must never wear it again. Oh yeah, she said that "in America now"!
That is how the arch-liberal sees diversity and, yes, the lady was and no doubt still is well-known for speaking her silly views @ neighborhood meetings and at City Hall, where they come off as respected if not perfunctory.
First, I'm from Oklahoma and I'm part Cherokee Indian. This isn't about races, it is about people. People being largely a cultural phenomenon. I didn't like Florida not only because it was full of Cubans and Haitians. I didn't like the "Northerners" who flooded the place either.
I hate it when people from other states come and live in my state. They almost always have crappy attitudes, they love to talk crap about my state, and they have an obsession with trying to make my state more like theirs. I don't even like seeing license plates from other states. Makes me want to run them off the road.
I say, if you don't like my state, go back to yours and don't come back. And the further away someone's home state is from my state, the more I don't like them. I can tolerate Texans, but people from most other states are downright obnoxious.
For that matter, we might think diversity is interesting. But no one really wants to live among diversity.
I always imagine a country like a big family. In that sense, I imagine a country like "one big house". When I think of who I might want to share a country with, I think, "Who would I want to share a house with?".
I don't hate Jews or Muslims or Hindus or Mexicans or blacks or anyone for that matter. But in almost all cases, unless you are very culturally/linguistically/ethnically/religiously similar to me, I wouldn't let you live with me.
Why in the hell would I want to live in a house with a person who can't even speak my language? Why would I want my children living with someone of a religion that I find to be oppressive, or dangerous?
No, I think deep-down everyone wants to live in their homogeneous world. And they surround themselves with people "like them".
There is nothing wrong with it, that is just human nature.
I am the opposite of you.
I like living with the various different kind of people ... I think it makes life interesting. I think it's great that I can hop on a trolley and celebrate Chinese New Year's in Chinatown, or visit the Polish American Museum and then have some pierogies for lunch, or see a pair of Indian ladies stroll by in their colorful saree dresses.
As far as people moving from one state to another state, it is something I am used to and accept. In my view if someone thinks this is not a mobile society then that person must be stuck in the past. I was born in New York City (just 90 miles away), but I am a Philadelphian and a Phillies / Eagles / Flyers fan.
I don't care if people criticize or "trash" my state ... I happen to like it ... and that is all that matters!
No, slavery was the reason. Several of the Southern states published their reasons for seceding. Why don't you believe them?
If it were about slavery, why did it take years after the war was over to free the slaves, with the 14th amendment, passed by Carpetbagging Federal appointed, Reconstruction puppet state legislatures.
It was passed by the federal government, not the People, like all other amendments have been passed.
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