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Old 12-15-2014, 10:04 PM
 
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Miami will be underwater, but hey, at least we'll have cheap energy!
Sea levels have been rising since the end of the last ice age. Here's the current conditions. Not these graphs do not account for land movement, you'll find different rates and in some cases going down because of land movement. What is consistent is the rate. The battery in New York is very geologically stable region.

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Also, what are you talking about with cement prices rising because of Democrats? Is this some kind of weird right-wing thing I haven't heard of?
Cement is one the largest emitters of CO2 because it requires a lot of heat for production. You can add other products like steel and oil refinement to that list. My comment about the 40% increased costs were based on analysis of the energy bill passed by House Democrats in 2009. It was never voted on in the Senate.

You seem to be under the impression that CO2 caps will only have minor affects, it will affect the cost of everything especially energy intensive industries like cement.

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Old 12-15-2014, 10:11 PM
 
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Obviously you have a pretty insanely high bar for proven vs's unproven.

Meet The Climate Denial Machine | Blog | Media Matters for America

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort - Scientific American

Dealing in Doubt: Greenpeace Report Exposes Fossil Fuel Funded Climate Denial Machine | DeSmogBlog

Or do you believe in some fairy godmother that would suddenly make these companies and interests NOT fund things that are in their interests?

If it was just greenpeace saying it I might agree....

The Sierra Club taking 26 million from the natural gas industry gets a pas right?

Fractured Lives - July/August 2012- Sierra Magazine - Sierra Club
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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Whatever natural cycle that is occurring is being exacerbated by the sheer amount of greenhouse gases we've added over a very short geological period.
The sheer amount you are referring to is an increase from .03% to .04%.




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Particulate matter does cool the planet in large enough excess, we know this from the physical properties and geological data on volcanic activity as you've said.
Particulate matter here in the US has seen significant reductions in the US.....




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but the data shows our emissions being the factor that has changed most significantly.
Unless you understand the rest of the numerous variables this like like saying my house has insulation that traps heat but I don't know if my windows are open.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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The sheer amount you are referring to is an increase from .03% to .04%.
Injest 1ml of arsenic and watch how a miniscule amount relative to the size of you, shuts your body down. Your body requires very little aresenic for normal cellular respiration but it's a fine balance. Don't assume very small changes to complex systems will amount to little or nothing.

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Particulate matter here in the US has seen significant reductions in the US.....
It's exploded globally.

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Unless you understand the rest of the numerous variables this like like saying my house has insulation that traps heat but I don't know if my windows are open.
That's why I said according to the data.... So..... With our current understanding..... Greenhouse gas emissions have increased significantly compared to other factors..... With our current understanding.
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Old 12-16-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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Injest 1ml of arsenic
ingest 1 ml of salt and see what happens...
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:56 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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ingest 1 ml of salt and see what happens...
So you're conceding those points? Kay.
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The sun provides the heat the earth receives, but today is a minor player in heating the globe....It is the sun's heat that get trapped by greenhouse gasses that is the culprit.

Methane has 20 times more effect on the climate than CO2......A new study of the seafloor off the West Coast of the United States has revealed that these gaseous "leaks" are already escalating to a full blown jail break, with methane escaping at 500 times its average rate of natural release. Pacific Seafloor Methane is Escaping at Alarming Rates : News : Nature World News

Methane release has also increased in the Arctic and the Atlantic.
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