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Old 12-12-2014, 08:12 AM
 
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Let's do that. While most retail workers start out at the same low wage, after two years the unionized counterpart makes 25% more on average. That's still not a lot but pretty good return on union dues. Costco, which is mostly not unionized pays employees an average of $50,000 a year.

And Target is really no better than Wal-Mart in the pay dept. But they are noted for treatig employees much more dignety.

So Costco manages to make growing profits year after year, and pay their employees a living wage. Why can't Wal-Mart or Target? Oh, greed, that's why.
Yes Costco is the model.
They value loyalty of their employees and compensate them to that.

So unionization is not really the issue here is it?
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:14 AM
 
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Because liberals constantly attack Walmart. Little truth to counter hyperbole.

Where is the disconnect among Republicans that oppose welfare but support Wal Mart (the #1 largest employer in the welfare system)?

Do you not see how nationless corporations use and abuse our Government instead of paying their employees a livable wage?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in opposing welfare for AMERICANS but supporting it for pirate corporations with allegience to no nation?
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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IMHO - Anyone that works for another for the latters profit should be in a union. This applies from the smallest retail to the biggest. Except for the managerial and executive classes an employee has no ability to negotiate their compensation for themselves.

Solidarity!
In some industries Unions were helpful. They have really become the same monster they contest against though- large entities looking to exploit.
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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Retail jobs like Walmart are generally low skilled part time work. High school students, college students, and people whose spouse works full time and he/she is earning a little extra with the part time work. Except for management and certain skilled positions, these aren't full time positions worthy of great pay. It's part time because as retail, their staffing needs change depending on season & time of day. That's just the nature of retail. You want full time work with better pay, aim higher.
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:18 AM
 
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Retail jobs like Walmart are generally low skilled part time work. High school students, college students, and people whose spouse works full time and he/she is earning a little extra with the part time work. Except for management and certain skilled positions, these aren't full time positions worthy of great pay. It's part time because as retail, their staffing needs change depending on season & time of day. That's just the nature of retail. You want full time work with better pay, aim higher.
That is just what you think-many people raise families on these types of jobs and I'm sure they would and are looking for better opportunities.

You keep ignoring the FACT that Wal Mart is by far the #1 Employer in the welfare system. So it is NOT students working there (that are inherently ineligible for welfare)-that is a lie. It is AMERICAN families.

Call them lazy, stupid, poor or whatever else you will but those are THE FACTS.

Why do you care more for nationless corporations than AMERICAN families?
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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Over 1/3 of their employees are part time.
A majority of employee's children qualify for free or reduced school lunches.
Employees that are eligible for benefits pay 35% of insurance costs (double the national average).
Only one in 50 of full-time employees eligible for their stock buying plan (not 401k) has amassed $50K in stocks.
Wal-Mart employees are the single largest group of SNAP and housing subsidy recipients.
And $35,000 year... Remove the benefit costs (that most employees aren't getting anyway) and you have a pre-tax take home of $25,600 a year.


Because liberals constantly attack Walmart. Little truth to counter hyperbole.
Is any of that not true? And the fact that Wal-Mart blamed their recent earnings drop on the federal government cutting food stamps doesn't bother you? A company that depends on welfare for both its employees and customers is good for this country?
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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Where is the disconnect among Republicans that oppose welfare but support Wal Mart (the #1 largest employer in the welfare system)?

Do you not see how nationless corporations use and abuse our Government instead of paying their employees a livable wage?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in opposing welfare for AMERICANS but supporting it for pirate corporations with allegience to no nation?
Valid point.

You have to wonder if the penny counters are so disconnected that they do not know their employees are on Government assistance they are paying for anyway.

Imagine the possibilities of getting all of those employees off welfare!
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:23 AM
 
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Where is the disconnect among Republicans that oppose welfare but support Wal Mart (the #1 largest employer in the welfare system)?

Do you not see how nationless corporations use and abuse our Government instead of paying their employees a livable wage?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in opposing welfare for AMERICANS but supporting it for pirate corporations with allegience to no nation?
Another way to look at it is if these people had studied harder in school and continued their education (college, vocational school, military, job training programs) then they could be working at a better paying job and not rely on welfare. Personal responsibility. At one time retail jobs were mainly for students and women with a husband working full time and now have school age children. The ladies worked while the kids were at school to earn a little extra cash and to keep busy & productive outside the home.
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:25 AM
 
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Is any of that not true? And the fact that Wal-Mart blamed their recent earnings drop on the federal government cutting food stamps doesn't bother you? A company that depends on welfare for both it's employees and customers is good for this country?
We really need to see the numbers.

What a weird relationship Walmart has with Government.

If the numbers tell us what you have proclaimed do not for a minute think our elected officials are not influenced by walmart lobbyists.

I would also like to see what party is more influenced by walmart. Being that Democrats typically stand on the side of more welfare I would bet many want walmart to to continue their practices. Though that is not how they will portray it to the public!
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Not really white knighting just presenting another perspective.

and like you said lets compare it to other retailers; WalMart seems to be picked on more than others and that is mainly because the unions want to take more money from the employees in the form of dues.

Good post, although I will say that those number still seem to me to be much lower than what they should be. Still it is interesting that Walmart compensates low skill employees better than Amazon, yet Walmart gets all the bad press.
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