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Old 12-16-2014, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Jesus Christ wasn't a leftist. He just advocated radical redistribution of wealth, and preached that people should work according to their ability, and be fed and sheltered according to their need. If you think that's leftist, I don't know what to tell you.
could you tell me where in the Bible it says the governmnet should support those who can not support themselves? Have you heard of charitable organizations? Many of them are church based. I have never said one way or the other; i also beleive it is written: God helps those who help themselves. That being said, there are both liberals and conservatives that are Christians.
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Christians aren't atheists.

Today it sure is. Lets look at facts here associated with liberalism.....

Pro drugs and pot

Pro Gay

Pro Choice

Progressive

Anti Constitution and Socialism or Dictator tendencies

Contempt and hatred towards law enforcement and the military

Need I go on?!>>>>>
ha-ha-ha-ha that simply is ridiculous and putting people in strange boxes-- let's start judgmental hypocritical onthe otehr side of the fence, Do you now how many Christians work in law enforcement? or serve- this is too much - and the pot thing- go drink your beer already-
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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could you tell me where in the Bible it says the governmnet should support those who can not support themselves? Have you heard of charitable organizations? Many of them are church based. I have never said one way or the other; i also beleive it is written: God helps those who help themselves. That being said, there are both liberals and conservatives that are Christians.
Do NOT know the Bible? - NO where does it say that- and as for govt. during the original laws of the land which were the Hebrew laws it stated the below for a few---

“He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker.”
“If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered”
He who closes his eyes to [the poor] receives many curses.”
Among the many sins of Sodom described in Genesis 19, her people were “arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy”
“Give generously to [them] and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to”

Now if you want to fall in line with the Romans or Hittites who threw their babies into a flesh tearing thing to honor your god go for it-







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Old 12-16-2014, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Like the Egyptians taking the Israelites into slavery? Voluntary slavery? Is that like voluntary deportation?
No, I said "slavery in Israel". Jacob agreed to work for seven years to marry a the woman he fell in love with. It was voluntary. In the other hand his son Joseph was captured and sold to Egypt, so that would have been a crime.

PS. Egypt didn't 'take' the Jews to Egypt, they went there on their own (because of Joseph), but over the generations the new Egyptian leaders made them into slaves.
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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"Jews are favoring blue"
I meant to say "trending towards" according to your attached chart.
That was happening for a while, but if you look carefully, they are trending back to blue now.
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:55 PM
 
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How can Christianity have a left? GOD is apposed to same sex marriage. He is opposed to abortion. He is opposed to race baiting. I would believe he is also opposed to the lefts gun grabbing schemes... He is opposed to abuse of welfare. In fact GOD himself invented work!! Not programs for the lazy to sponge off of. GOD wants us to help the poor indeed but helping them to help themselves (those who are able) should be priority. Not enabling laziness. Tell me please where the left does not side with these issues as I have stated? And tell me if so then how could anyone on the left be a TRUE Christian? Read Revelation 3:16 Christs words himself. Hot or cold but because you are lukewarm he will spew you from his mouth!
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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No, I said "slavery in Israel". Jacob agreed to work for seven years to marry a the woman he fell in love with. It was voluntary. In the other hand his son Joseph was captured and sold to Egypt, so that would have been a crime.

PS. Egypt didn't 'take' the Jews to Egypt, they went there on their own (because of Joseph), but over the generations the new Egyptian leaders made them into slaves.
Slavery is slavery. There are plenty of references to slavery in the Bible.
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Christians aren't atheists.

Today it sure is. Lets look at facts here associated with liberalism.....

Pro drugs and pot

Pro Gay

Pro Choice

Progressive

Anti Constitution and Socialism or Dictator tendencies

Contempt and hatred towards law enforcement and the military

Need I go on?!>>>>>
Pro drugs is a form of anti-authoritarianism and pro individual freedom; a typical conservative value.

Pro gay marriage (unless you actually meant pro-gay, as in treating gay people like... people, but I'll assume you aren't insane) is not only approved of by the irreligious. Plenty of Christians support or are indifferent to gay marriage. Also, the state having a strict definition of marriage is anti-individual freedom, a typical conservative value.

Pro choice may be a winner on your part. I'll give you that one. It's too complicated of an issue to even be worthy bringing up at the moment.

Progressive is a vague term. In short, it means in favor of progress. Which is a bad thing?

Anti-constitution is untrue. Some, but not all, are against the second amendment, but I'm sure I need mot remind you that plenty of conservatives have no problem with torturing people, which is against the 8th amendment. Same with religious laws, which technically contradicts the 1st amendment.

Socialism and dictator tendencies... wow. Great vocab use there. But they aren't the same. Socialism is government involvement in the economy, as well as provision of social services like social security. We've had that for a while. The left is more likely to favor it than the right, but most people on the right aren't 100% against it. And no one supports a dictator. You've made that up.

Contempt toward military or law enforcement? you mean contempt for government? I thought conservatives did that? Oh right, they're inconsistent, I forgot.

Also, none of these even relate to Christianity. I think you just like venting and you found a convenient place to do it.
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Slavery is slavery. There are plenty of references to slavery in the Bible.
The difference is explained quite clearly. Most typical reason for offering oneself to slavery was to pay off a loan.
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:17 PM
 
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How can Christianity have a left? GOD is apposed to same sex marriage. He is opposed to abortion. He is opposed to race baiting. I would believe he is also opposed to the lefts gun grabbing schemes... He is opposed to abuse of welfare. In fact GOD himself invented work!! Not programs for the lazy to sponge off of. GOD wants us to help the poor indeed but helping them to help themselves (those who are able) should be priority. Not enabling laziness. Tell me please where the left does not side with these issues as I have stated? And tell me if so then how could anyone on the left be a TRUE Christian? Read Revelation 3:16 Christs words himself. Hot or cold but because you are lukewarm he will spew you from his mouth!
Okay, most of this is gobbledygook that is too silly to even respond to, but your statement that God is opposed to gun control is just too ridiculous to let pass. Please show me where in the Bible it says anything even remotely similar to that. This ought to be good.
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