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Old 12-15-2014, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Do you have children?
If your childs life was in imminent danger and someone knew the solution to save your child's life but they wouldn't provide that information, would 'torture' or using EIT be justified, in your eyes, for getting that information?
LOL appeal to emotion won't work. If I torture, it would make me a criminal. Criminals belong in prison. You can choose to commit the crime, if you can do the time. Of course, the Unites States has executed torturers, like the Japanese waterboarders, so we're talking about dying for the cause. However, you are really advocating torture with impunity, aren't you?
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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LOL appeal to emotion won't work. If I torture, it would make me a criminal. Criminals belong in prison. You can choose to commit the crime, if you can do the time. Of course, the Unites States has executed torturers, like the Japanese waterboarders, so we're talking about dying for the cause. However, you are really advocating torture with impunity, aren't you?
Would you support pouring water on someones face and making them lose sleep if you thought it would save the life of a family member?
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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So, you'd rather lose American lives than make a radical muslim feel a little uncomfortable until he spilled the beans?
Torturing people does not lead to their being "a little uncomfortable". And yeah, I'm okay with that. Now I have a question. Do you support torturing people who aren't Muslims, or do you limit your support of gross human rights violations to people you're scared of?
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Rape!!! It's not rape, it's "enhanced foreplay"
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Would you support pouring water on someones face and making them lose sleep if you thought it would save the life of a family member?

Would you do so then weep and wail about how it's okay because you're sad and scared, or would you do so then turn yourself over to the police and confess your crime?

I notice you refer to the right's preferred method of torture as "pouring water on someones[sic] face" so you can pretend the things you support aren't torture.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:33 AM
 
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And now your reading comprehension is suspect. Source said advocation.
When you assert that anyone would condone torture if the situation warranted it, you are, indeed, advocating it by offering up justification (some situations warrant it) and by suggesting consensus (everyone would condone it) makes it acceptable.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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I knew I'd find you.
Again with the attempt at marginalization. And again failing.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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It seems like the United States used to call torture what it was, and dealt with it in a suitable manner.

Yes, <i>National Review</i>, We Did Execute Japanese for Waterboarding*|*Paul Begala
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Rape!!! It's not rape, it's "enhanced foreplay"
Slavery was "enhanced employment".
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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Would you support pouring water on someones face and making them lose sleep if you thought it would save the life of a family member?
Do you really think pouring water on someone's face and making them lose sleep is going to force them to give you information that would save the life of a family member?

Don't try to make out that torture is akin to splashing someone in a pool. If you aren't causing extreme pain and suffering, you aren't torturing someone. And the rationale behind torture is that you need to cause them extreme pain and suffering in order to break them and get them to tell you what you want to know. Because after all, plain old-fashioned interrogation doesn't work. Pain and fear work. That's the rationale behind torture. That pain and fear work.
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