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Wow, they can't even come close to making this work in Vermont, a state that ranks towards the top of many socioeconomic scales. If they can't make it work there, how is it supposed to work in much bigger, and much poorer states? Vermont has the 3rd lowest poverty rate in the country and the second lowest population. What happens when this hits somewhere like New York, which has 30 times as many people and twice as much poverty as VT?
Easy. The Federal government. Unlike Vermont, the Federal government has no means to live beyond.
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The problem is that the cost is never considered until AFTER the idea is drafted into a bill and passed.
Then officials avoid the inevitable until they can't anymore..the cost.
This is exactly what Vermont did. And officials ignored what analysts/consultants told them about the cost until they missed their date to produce a financial payment plan.
This is not an issue that needs to start in the states. National health care should be done by the Federal government, just like SS.
And the payment issue would be worse at the National level.
Vermont is in much better shape financially than most other states.
No, it wouldn't. You are fundamentally incorrect. Vermont is not analogous to the Federal government.
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If they were looking at 21% tax increase imagine what it would be like on the national level ?
Probably 30% or more.
It would be whatever is needed to have manageable inflation. Other countries pay less for health care than we do, even when you compare our insurance / deductbles / co-pays vs. their payroll taxes.
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You cannot just print money and subsidize American Utopian lifestyles.
Actually you can. We do it already. Why do you think our gas is so cheap compared to everyone else? The American populace begs the government to subsidize our idiotic car-dependent lifestyle.
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That printed money is debt..Treasuries bought by other countries.
Printed money is called debt, correct. A debt for the public sector is an asset for the private sector. It has nothing to do with other countries. China can't bankrupt the United States. The only thing that can bankrupt the U.S. is if we choose it, or we get invaded by a foreign country.
The problem is that the cost is never considered until AFTER the idea is drafted into a bill and passed.
Then officials avoid the inevitable until they can't anymore..the cost.
This is exactly what Vermont did. And officials ignored what analysts/consultants told them about the cost until they missed their date to produce a financial payment plan.
After all even on a federal level we had to pass Obama care to know what was in it. Give the Vermont liberals some credit they figured it out before they did
Leeches demanding others let them leech more and rationalizing their theft of other people's money.
That's more like spoon-banging on a highchair than an opinion.
Actually the poster is not demanding leeching others.
That poster stated the government can just print money to pay for it.
No raise in taxes, no premiums, nothing..just have the Fed print money and pay for it all.
FREE health care for all. Everyone goes on medicaid and the printing press just chug 24/7/365.
It would be whatever is needed to have manageable inflation. Other countries pay less for health care than we do, even when you compare our insurance / deductbles / co-pays vs. their payroll taxes.
65 patients per million population UK
98 patients per million population in Canada
212 patients per million population in the US
Source: Delay, Denial and Dilution: The Impact of NHS Rationing on Heart Disease and Cancer
IEA Health and Welfare Unit (London), David G. Green and Laura Casper.
The NHS in Britain is so great, they can't even afford to purchase, staff and maintain kidney dialysis equipment.
Your claim is refuted.
Lung cancer treatment waiting times and tumour growth.
Therefore, 21% of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list. This study demonstrates that, even for the select minority of patients who have specialist referral and are deemed suitable for potentially curative treatment, the outcome is prejudiced by waiting times that allow tumour progression.
Easy. The Federal government. Unlike Vermont, the Federal government has no means to live beyond.
This is not an issue that needs to start in the states. National health care should be done by the Federal government, just like SS.
"National health care should be done by the Federal government, just like SS."
NO it should NOT!
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