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Old 12-21-2014, 10:26 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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They are public. The issue is access to those beaches.
Correct. They just don't want the state building a highway through their yard. Unfortunately, the state has very strong eminent domain muscles here and these people will lose after spending a lot of money in court.
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Old 12-21-2014, 11:07 AM
 
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How about the beaches where Hollywood stars live? I doubt they grant public access to them.
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Old 12-21-2014, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Correct. They just don't want the state building a highway through their yard. Unfortunately, the state has very strong eminent domain muscles here and these people will lose after spending a lot of money in court.
It's not just Jersey though. Parts of Florida are also like that..public beach but no public access.
Texas seems better at this though as they passed a law in 1959 that protects and enforces public access to the entire Texas coastline.

When I lived in Florida and we took day trips it was hard sometimes to find beach access if there wasn't a big public beach in the town.
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Old 12-21-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Similar issue in the community of Asharoken on the north shore of long island, if they want the Army Corp to rebuild the access road they need to grant the public access. It's either one or the other, however on Fire Island they are going spending around 40M to remove 40 homes and restore the dunes. You will see much more of this play out in the coming years with erosion mostly on wealthy land owners.



Sandy-hit towns wrestle with eminent-domain choice
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Old 12-21-2014, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The subsidized insurance on beach front homes would be a good agenda item for the new GOP Congress. Pass a bill to end it, and watch as droves of wealthy liberals go howling to Pres. Obama, demanding that he veto.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The Federal Government was "forced" to subsidize flood prone and beachfront property because the private sector insurance industry did not have enough money to pay off the claims after a major Mississippi Valley flood. If the FED did not underwrite the program the insurance fees would have been so large flood prone property would have been rendered nearly worthless or completely uninsurable.

I do not support Federal flood insurance. I think that private property owners should buy on the open market insurance of their own. I also do not support programs that restore beaches or build flood barriers like dunes and, in most cases levies, that prevent flooding. Flooding and storm erosion are natural events and almost all human works to control all of them are a waste of money and ultimately futile. I think that places such as the Jersey Shore that were nearly eradicated by Storm Sandy should have the debris removed and never redeveloped at all. Redevelopment is a waste of money by both the private and the government. Insuring this redevelopment is just encouraging irresponsible investment.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The subsidized insurance on beach front homes would be a good agenda item for the new GOP Congress. Pass a bill to end it, and watch as droves of wealthy liberals go howling to Pres. Obama, demanding that he veto.
Premiums were due to be increased 10x to cover the shortfalls.
But Congress passed a bill this year to push it out and Obama signed it.

Kick the can down the road as they say.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Premiums were due to be increased 10x to cover the shortfalls.
But Congress passed a bill this year to push it out and Obama signed it.

Kick the can down the road as they say.
You're right. I missed the story. Looks like it didn't get much coverage:
President Obama Signs Flood Insurance Relief Bill

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Democratic Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey said he was hearing from constituents still reeling from Superstorm Sandy, “many who came to me in tears, expressing horror stories of skyrocketing flood insurance premiums that threatened to force them from their homes.”
The 2012 rewrite was aimed at weaning those in flood-prone areas off of subsidized rates and required extensive updating of the flood maps used to set premiums. But its implementation left homeowners along the Atlantic and Gulf coasts and in flood plains facing often unaffordable rate increases.
If they can't afford the market-rate insurance for their beach front home, they should move.

An option for the very wealthy would be to build smaller, cheaper houses in risky areas, If you're worth $20 million, and a house that cost you only $100,000 to build is destroyed, that's only one half of one pct. of your net worth. You could self-insure if you wanted to.

But they don't want to do that--they want to have their beachfront mansion, such that they can no longer afford to insure, and they want me to pay for the insurance for them. This is redistribution from the poor to the rich, and it makes no sense.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:59 PM
 
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Loveladies oceanfront homeowners fighting access road, say beach would be too public | NJ.com

When Long Beach Township officials asked Robert Minke and his relatives to sign over some of their oceanfront property rights for the federal government to build a protective dune, the family was fine with the idea.

But when the township decided to use the south end of their property in the affluent Loveladies section as a public access road to the beach, that’s when the Minke family balked.
In a lawsuit filed in state Superior Court on Wednesday, the family contends the township went too far in trying to create a beach access road, which they say will turn their otherwise private spot into a public beach.

The case highlights the ongoing disputes over oceanfront property ownership in New Jersey where some residents own up to a certain point of the beach and the public is allowed on the section closer to the water. But where public access has been limited, some beaches have become almost private because few people go there.


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The government is to spend 100 million dollars to replenish those public beaches.
Robert Minke and his family have the option of moving somewhere else if they don't like it. He signed the property over to the government, the government can do whatever they want with it, plain and simple.
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Old 12-21-2014, 01:05 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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You're right. I missed the story. Looks like it didn't get much coverage:
President Obama Signs Flood Insurance Relief Bill



If they can't afford the market-rate insurance for their beach front home, they should move.

An option for the very wealthy would be to build smaller, cheaper houses in risky areas, If you're worth $20 million, and a house that cost you only $100,000 to build is destroyed, that's only one half of one pct. of your net worth. You could self-insure if you wanted to.

But they don't want to do that--they want to have their beachfront mansion, such that they can no longer afford to insure, and they want me to pay for the insurance for them. This is redistribution from the poor to the rich, and it makes no sense.
Part of the problem is that FeMA is requiring different flood zone coverage based on a 1000 year storm that will likely never come again. And most beachfront property in nj is crappy houses and cottages, not mansions.
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