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Old 01-05-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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it couldn't happen here. right?

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On June 5, Pierre Cassen and Pascal Hillout, two other members of Riposte Laïque, were sentenced to an extremely heavy fine of 21,200 euros ($26,000) for having written that "street prayers, veils and mosques" were "symbols of occupation and conquest."

On April 10, author Renaud Camus was fined 4,000 euros ($5,000) for having said in 2010 that Muslim culture was slowly "replacing" French culture.

Three years earlier, in February 2011, writer and political journalist Eric Zemmour was sentenced to a fine of 1,000 euros ($1,250) and a payment of 10,000 euros ($12,500) to various associations and leagues. He had said during a talk show that "the majority of drug dealers in France are black and Arab Muslims." The judges considered this was an "incitement to racial discrimination."

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Old 01-05-2015, 12:09 PM
 
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If right-wingers keep it up, freedom of speech will die in America.

Just look at how they react to protesters...
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:09 PM
 
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The French Constitution and the American Constitution are quite different from one another.

And France has always had a more restrictive view of freedom of speech. In part, from their desire to keep their language "pure", their laws have always been far more restrictive.

So, no, the incidents you've cited could not happen here.
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Like the 3 monkeys.."See no evil, hear no evil, say no evil".

If they don't talk about it then it doesn't exist right ?

France is one to watch as they continue with their extreme measures of creating Utopia.
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
The French Constitution and the American Constitution are quite different from one another.

And France has always had a more restrictive view of freedom of speech. In part, from their desire to keep their language "pure", their laws have always been far more restrictive.

So, no, the incidents you've cited could not happen here.
Are the increasing number of Muslims speaking fluent "French" ?
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:26 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
The French Constitution and the American Constitution are quite different from one another.

And France has always had a more restrictive view of freedom of speech. In part, from their desire to keep their language "pure", their laws have always been far more restrictive.

So, no, the incidents you've cited could not happen here.
these cases have nothing to do with keeping the language pure.

what he said makes perfect sense. to be penalized for saying such things is insane.
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"It is what I call 'le grand remplacement' - the great replacement. If there is a new population in France, then we will no longer have our own history. It will be another people's history, and another people's civilisation."

Camus strongly resists charges that he is racist.

"Of course I have been called a racist. I have given up fighting it. I do not see myself as one. I don't think I am unfair about other races. I do not seek to judge.

"But I do think that ethnic belonging is an important factor in the history of the world. It would be absurd to pretend otherwise.

"France has been very good at integrating individuals. But you cannot integrate whole peoples. If immigrants come from a different civilisation which they have no particular interest in abandoning, then they will be representative of that civilisation."
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:28 PM
 
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If right-wingers keep it up, freedom of speech will die in America.

Just look at how they react to protesters...
The left is more of a threat to freedom of speech in America than the right: speech codes on college campuses, attempts to suppress right wing radio with the "fairness doctrine", labeling speech they don't like as "hate speech", etc., etc.
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:35 PM
 
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The left is more of a threat to freedom of speech in America than the right: speech codes on college campuses, attempts to suppress right wing radio with the "fairness doctrine", labeling speech they don't like as "hate speech", etc., etc.
true. funny the leftists can't see that.
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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Are the increasing number of Muslims speaking fluent "French" ?
Completely irrelevant.

The discussion is about French laws and free speech.

Much as you'd like to demonize Muslims, that's not the topic on this thread.
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Old 01-05-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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these cases have nothing to do with keeping the language pure.

what he said makes perfect sense. to be penalized for saying such things is insane.
No, but French laws that were originally based on keeping the language pure gave the French government much more power to regulate free speech. Our Constitution and our laws do not provide such precedent for laws restricting American free speech.
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