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I don't have a dog in that fight. I am not an engineer, and never will be. I am a business owner and a freelance artist. I have trust fund to rely on and I am not complaining in any way.
Just reporting to folks what I have read, and heard. There is hidden bias against black people in tech field. There is hidden bias against combat veterans in workforce. I have no solutions, but facts and facts.
I am not trying to argue with you.
Someone (a black start up tech owner once said)"
The bias in Silicon Valley is about creating great companies, solving big problems, making a lot of money, and impacting the world"
"It's clear that there is always a bias," Watson tells Business Insider. "And it’s annoying and it’s frustrating, but you can get around that. There’s also an argument that because there’s a bias, in a weird way, the bias can also lead to some opportunities."
i just hope qualified black engineers get equal chance to get hired, no more no less.
"There is hidden bias against black people in tech field. There is hidden bias against combat veterans in workforce"
As an Aerospace Engineer working for a Fortune 100 company that is not the case at all. If your a Mechanical, Aerospace, Electrical or Materials Engineer and you are black you have life long employment guaranteed with my company. As far as Veterans go, even though we are in a hiring freeze the company makes an exception for Veterans and our management is full of former military officers. There is no separation from those who have been in combat or not though.
No, (some of them) are poor because they are not given enough access to lucrative professions, or at least they are less able to take steps that might lead them to lucrative professions.
Lucrative professions are not "accessed" they are earned over decades of work. Poor people and sustained hard work towards long term goals are mutually exclusive.
Instead of asking me how I know they are not, ask yourself how you know they are. How are nepotism, cronyism, and favoritism not part of the ingrained culture of every American corporation?
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And why do you believe professional sports teams are (should be) different than
any other corporation?
I told you why sports are a meritocracy - because by being so they make their owners money.
I wish every corporation were a meritocracy. But they aren't.
"There is hidden bias against black people in tech field. There is hidden bias against combat veterans in workforce"
As an Aerospace Engineer working for a Fortune 100 company that is not the case at all. If your a Mechanical, Aerospace, Electrical or Materials Engineer and you are black you have life long employment guaranteed with my company. As far as Veterans go, even though we are in a hiring freeze the company makes an exception for Veterans and our management is full of former military officers. There is no separation from those who have been in combat or not though.
That is your experience. I volunteer at va hospital I KNOW for a fact there is bias against combat veterans.
I dated two software engineers. One Chinese, one white. They both told me there is bias against black engineers. (black engineers sometimes do not get an equal opportunity to get hired in the first place) They both told me when everything is equal, white men get promoted faster.
You share your own experience, I share mine.
I love Bill O'Reilly, but my jaw almost dropped one time when he said there were no homeless veterans out there.
With all the talk of sports and the comparison to tech jobs there is something you guys aren't realizing.
All those athletes started way back in middle school with athletics and being on teams and playing competitions.
They spent years in MS and then HS getting better and better and then having scouts offer them athletic scholarships and then from college some went professional.
They didn't just show up at college one day and try out and expect to be put on the team.
If anything sports a highly competitive from MS on and very few out of all the kids that play sports ever make it to the pros.
With all the talk of sports and the comparison to tech jobs there is something you guys aren't realizing.
All those athletes started way back in middle school with athletics and being on teams and playing competitions.
They spent years in MS and then HS getting better and better and then having scouts offer them athletic scholarships and then from college some went professional.
They didn't just show up at college one day and try out and expect to be put on the team.
If anything sports a highly competitive from MS on and very few out of all the kids that play sports ever make it to the pros.
Nailed it. My son is trying to be competitive on and off the court - and to do so you have to start early on - elementary school, really - as both of my kids did.
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Instead of asking me how I know they are not, ask yourself how you know they are. How are nepotism, cronyism, and favoritism not part of the ingrained culture of every American corporation?
YOU made the statement, it's up to YOU to support it, otherwise it's just your opinion.
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I told you why sports are a meritocracy - because by being so they make their owners money.
So, meritocracy makes lots of money for sports corporations so that's how they're run but somehow that changes when sports isn't the corporation's business? Stockholders must be thrilled.
Nailed it. My son is trying to be competitive on and off the court - and to do so you have to start early on - elementary school, really - as both of my kids did.
I agree but there's no school sponsored sports before MS.
But yes, these kids are playing organized sports by 5 years old..PeeWee and PopWarner and Little League.
My son loved to play football, baseball and basketball. So we did the rounds from spring through winter.
He lost interest in MS when it became too competitive and less "fun".
YOU made the statement, it's up to YOU to support it, otherwise it's just your opinion.
So, meritocracy makes lots of money for sports corporations so that's how they're run but somehow that changes when sports isn't the corporation's business? Stockholders must be thrilled.
It just means that since the margin for error is much broader outside of sports - if a lawyer, financial adviser, computer programmer, cop, chef, teacher, or dogcatcher gets hurt, sick, dies or just screws up, you can find millions of people to do their job. But if Tom Brady or LeBron James get hurt or bug out, the owners of those ball clubs are SOL.
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