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You are a person but also a citizen, whether you like it or not, until you renounce your US citizenship.
The US Constitution does not mention citizen once. Citizens do not have rights, only people do. Citizen is the federal governments code word for subject.
Taxes aren't slavery either. To pay taxes, one must have income and the common income is through wages, which you only get paid if you work. Is anyone forcing you to work? If you were being forced to work to pay the government then it would but it isn't. This is just right-wing Koch brother libertarian rhetoric.
Taxes aren't slavery either. To pay taxes, one must have income and the common income is through wages, which you only get paid if you work. Is anyone forcing you to work? If you were being forced to work to pay the government then it would but it isn't. This is just right-wing Koch brother libertarian rhetoric.
the income tax system gives the U.S. government “the prerogative to reach into people’s pockets and claim as much money as it pleases before they have a chance to decide anything about it.”
If you and I made an agreement that gave me the power to control the use of a certain percentage of your income, to be decided by me, in principle how much of your income do I control? In principle I control all of it, of course. This is the power the income tax places in the hands of those who control the U.S. government at any given time. Therefore, it makes sense for them to speak as if every cent of the people’s income belongs to the government. In principle, and for as long as the income tax system remains in place, it does.
Government will take as much as possible without causing an uprise.
I do not think that way......I wonder why others do.
There are pages of laws that let people control their tax bill........but, for some reason many won't.
If gov truly wanted prosperity for ALL it would simplify the tax code so "everyone" could understand it. Knowledge is power over your finances and the amount of tax you pay. Instead government keeps adding then uses propaganda to get people to believe that high taxes is good. Before Obama was sworn into office, the U.S. tax code was just 67,506 pages. In 2014 it is 73,954 pages.
The rich learn about taxes and pay a pro to advise them. The struggling middle class not so much, as a result they're "W2 income is hammered with taxes? The poor? What do they care how much of your money government takes? The tax code is used to "incentivize" people to do things the gov wants. Examples:
- Saving for retirement (401k).
- Buying a home
- Gov doesn't want to be a landlord so how does it house poor? It incentives investment in rental real estate.
- The list of incentives goes on and on.
You are taxed on the money you keep (to pay for your living expenses and wants). Yep, there is 73,954 pages to the tax code to "incentivize" people to do things otherwise the government takes the money.
Hmmm... and how is it exactly that the federal government can imprison some if they don't work for no compensation so others can receive welfare benefits?
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
They are when they are forcibly directly taken from some to only benefit others, aka welfare. That's exactly how slaves were treated. They were forced to labor for no compensation for someone else's benefit.
I've seen the idea and understand the concept. You effectively pay the government with your first X months of the year with taxes and make nothing (though effectively that isn't true as you have money while if you truly paid taxes at that point, you wouldn't to be able to afford goods and services.) I can somewhat understand that there is a difference. You can decide to not work and not face taxes but unlike slavery where if you were not working for no compensation you would get punished for inaction. No one is holding a gun to your head or a switch and forcing you, me or anyone else to work by a threat of violence. As I've said, this is just Koch brothers libertarian rhetoric and nothing more.
I've seen the idea and understand the concept. You effectively pay the government with your first X months of the year with taxes and make nothing.
That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that only some but not all of those with an income are forced by threat of violence (imprisonment) to work a percentage of every work day for no compensation (slave labor), while others are given the fruits of the slaves' labor.
I'd still like to know which act of Congress authorizes the government to force some but not all to labor as slaves, which unconstitutionally violates the equal protections clause.
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