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Old 01-16-2015, 04:03 PM
 
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Deniers will deny. LOL.
Blind parroters will blindly parrot. Do you have any idea what Paul's letter to the Romans was about? Or anything about the culture in 1st century Corinth. Clearly not.


This topic is about civil marriage in the 21st century. No about your religious beliefs.
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:04 PM
bUU
 
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It will be legal by force....
In the same way it is currently not legal by force.

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Most Americans are against same-sex marriage though.
A majority of Americans support same-sex marriage.

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Some Americans have changed their mind (such as Obama) due to pressure and/or not wanted being called for "backwards" and other bad names.
You may compromise your principles for such trivial reasons, but don't ascribe such silliness to Obama or anyone else. He, and many others, changed their mind because they realized that they were being unfair to others.

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In before all the "constitutional experts" come in complaining about muh state rights.
Let them whine. With regard to the Second Question put to the SCOTUS: The nation works because the states respect each others' processes, so at the very least SCOTUS should rule that states must honor same-sex marriages performed in other states, just like they honor heterosexual marriages performed in other states. With regard to the First Question: It's a matter of opinions and admittedly it isn't clear if there are four members of the SCOTUS that respect others enough to grant people they don't like fair treatment.

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All I ask is that can we not have parades about it every year afterwards?
Tell that to the Irish.

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Regardless of what the Supreme Court rules - and I expect them to rule in favor of federalism and states rights - there is no such thing as homosexual marriage. That is not what marriage is and no legal pronouncement can change that. Similarly, if a constitutional amendment were to be passed with 100% national support insisting that the moon is made out of green cheese, that would not make it so. It isn't, and no law or court ruling can change that. Case closed.
An interesting diatribe of nonsense, but the difference is that what the moon is made of is objective truth, while what marriage is and has always been what people decide it is.

Case closed.

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Old 01-16-2015, 04:12 PM
 
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You are right. It does not matter what anyone thinks, including you. Marriage is what it is, and no misguided pronouncement that it is now something other than what it is will change that.
If you want a religious 'marriage' for yourself, just have a wedding ceremony in a church and skip the civil marriage licence.
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:15 PM
 
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Deniers will deny. LOL.
I think what he/she is saying is that your quoted passage speaks about the act of gay sex and not the state of being a homosexual. One can be a homosexual and a virgin or abstinent.
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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The supreme court granted cert to all 4 of the same sex marriage cases today.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/c...615zr_f2q3.pdf

Same sex marriage could be legal in all 50 states by the end of the year!
I don't really care it's not like the heterosexual relationships are flourishing. Making it legal will give them the added benefit of going through a proper divorce instead of fleeing to a state that doesn't recognize the marriage....
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:29 PM
 
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It will be legal by force.... Most Americans are against same-sex marriage though. Some Americans have changed their mind (such as Obama) due to pressure and/or not wanted being called for "backwards" and other bad names. BTW any Christian who oppose homosexuals are false Christians because Jesus Christ himself loved everybody and said to love one another. He saw everybody equally. Judaism and Islam the only religion where homosexuality is forbidden and a sin.



"Love the sinner, hate the sin".
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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"Love the sinner, hate the sin".

Jesus actually never said that, though it is more in line with his general message than Republican Jesus.
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:54 PM
 
Location: North America
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Regardless of what the Supreme Court rules - and I expect them to rule in favor of federalism and states rights - there is no such thing as homosexual marriage. That is not what marriage is and no legal pronouncement can change that.

Similarly, if a constitutional amendment were to be passed with 100% national support insisting that the moon is made out of green cheese, that would not make it so. It isn't, and no law or court ruling can change that.

Case closed.
You're right, there is will be no such thing as homosexual marriage. There is simply marriage that homosexual couples will be able to take advantage of . That is what marriage will be, and no "Christian" pronouncement or right wing propaganda can change that.
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:56 PM
 
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"Love the sinner, hate the sin".
Yes, because the opionion of *******s who lived 2000 years ago, in a far different culture, should always be more valid than the views of people living in a more modern and educated society .
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Old 01-16-2015, 05:02 PM
 
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I think what he/she is saying is that your quoted passage speaks about the act of gay sex and not the state of being a homosexual. One can be a homosexual and a virgin or abstinent.
It is only the homosexual act that I have been speaking of. And you are right that is what the passage speaks of also. The temptation is something entirely different.

In any case, from a Biblical perspective, homosexuality is something that homosexuals do, it is not who they fundamentally are. Which is why we speak about the condemnation of the sin rather than the sinner, the latter of which we all are.
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