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Again , diversity advocates often do exactly the kind of aggression that you describe. But they blame other people for their own hostility to different opinions. One poster said diversity is supposed to weed out bad cultural traits of groups, whatever that means. Who is here to define what's bad ? This is just a way to silence other people using extremely subjective measures. The system that respects diversity is the libertarian economic system. The political left preaches diversity in an attempt to build a uniform society of just their so called universal values. If you disagree then keep your heads down. Is this the aggression and bigotry that you refer to? Look people simply want to live their life, their style. But they can't in left wing politics. Their diversity must be eradicated in favor of a correct diversity.
Good post.
Diversity proponents are blinded by their fixation on telling others how to live. It's political correctness at it's pinnacle.
I don't believe it. Everywhere you look diversity is a source of discord and strife. Russia, China, India, African countries, Canada, every one has problems caused by diversity. I can't think of a single major country where significantly different ethnicities get along. (I'm sure there's a little, remote country somewhere where everyone get along fine regardless of origin, but that's the exception that proves the rule.)
The societies people like to hold up as examples of civic accord are all as ethnically monochrome as Knob Hill or Georgetown: Sweden, Denmark, Nepal.
Diversity is ours so we have to make the most of it. But it's more like making lemonade out of lemons than anything else.
Diversity is diversity. There is no strength in it.
Actually, these is strength in diversity given everyone follows the same set of rules and adapts the culture of the nation. A diverse population is more healthy and intelligent, Mother Nature has proven that. Old Europe was devastated by diseases because of a lack of diversity and in turn the diseases they carried wiped out entire populations when they made first contact. So diversity has eliminated many of those problems.
Diversity forces people to look at everything differently whether they want to or not and that is always good.
But there is a fine line between diversity and the social engineering that is happening in the world today. In Europe "diversity" is being used by our enemies against us. They are infiltrating into the free west with the ultimate goal of oppressing freedom and ultimately diversity.
This country has always had millions of foreigners. We seem to have done just fine. If this is about your neighbors, then you should move.
But these millions of foreigners today aren't assimilating like the foreigners of the past. They are hanging on to their languages and cultures out in mainstream rather than assimilating to the main one. When you add millions of legal and illegal aliens from mostly one ethnic group that is not diversity. So they are colonizing rather than assimilating. Instead of the motto of "Out of many, one" it's "Out of many, many". The melting pot has gone by the wayside these days.
Again , diversity advocates often do exactly the kind of aggression that you describe. But they blame other people for their own hostility to different opinions.
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Diversity proponents are blinded by their fixation on telling others how to live. It's political correctness at it's pinnacle.
Variations of this claim have been made several times in this thread, but can anyone give me some specific examples to work with?
What are some specific examples of diversity advocates trying to suppress diversity?
China isn't diversity and they are stronger because of it.
The reason the US succeeded with 'diversity' is because it was built on Western values and despite people of different cultures, the overwhelming majority were White and Western European with similar culture.
This 'myth' of multi-racial/diversity nonsense making us stronger is only that, nonsense. It was pushed by the same people who fought FOR communism, the same people who make up the neoconservatives, the same people who control our media and hold disproportional status as billionaires, who make-up a disproportion of wall-street, and the same people who flung South Africa into war over diamonds. It's always been the same people and always will be. Diversity helps them, it doesn't help us. Better realize that before it's too late.
Actually, these is strength in diversity given everyone follows the same set of rules and adapts the culture of the nation. A diverse population is more healthy and intelligent, Mother Nature has proven that.
Can you cite this? Some dog breeds are dumber than others, some more intelligent, some more violent, some less violent... If you mix a dumb breed and a strong breed, does that diversity actually help? Or just make one breed stupider?
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Old Europe was devastated by diseases because of a lack of diversity and in turn the diseases they carried wiped out entire populations when they made first contact. So diversity has eliminated many of those problems.
Who is here to define what's bad ? This is just a way to silence other people using extremely subjective measures. The system that respects diversity is the libertarian economic system.
Unless you want to advocate full-blown anarchy, I think you will need to accept the idea that somehow or other we need to define what is "bad" in the context of some social norms. Would you prefer a system that allows murder, child abuse, slavery, etc? I'm guessing you would not. But if I'm right about that, then it seems you must be guided by some basic principles to help you define what is "bad." I would agree that libertarian economics is good, up to a point, but here too we would need some principles to help guide us in figuring out how much is too much. The sex trafficking of children is an excellent way to make money, and yet I'm guess that most libertarians would not complain about laws that make this illegal, so once again it seems we need principles to help us figure out what should and should not be allowed, even in a libertarian system.
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The political left preaches diversity in an attempt to build a uniform society of just their so called universal values. If you disagree then keep your heads down. Is this the aggression and bigotry that you refer to? Look people simply want to live their life, their style. But they can't in left wing politics. Their diversity must be eradicated in favor of a correct diversity.
Here, again, I would like to be able to discuss some specific examples of what you have in mind.
But these millions of foreigners today aren't assimilating like the foreigners of the past. They are hanging on to their languages and cultures out in mainstream rather than assimilating to the main one. When you add millions of legal and illegal aliens from mostly one ethnic group that is not diversity. So they are colonizing rather than assimilating. Instead of the motto of "Out of many, one" it's "Out of many, many". The melting pot has gone by the wayside these days.
I agree. That is the difference today. They are colonizing and when their numbers are great enough they demand certain favors for their group.
Actually, these is strength in diversity given everyone follows the same set of rules and adapts the culture of the nation. A diverse population is more healthy and intelligent, Mother Nature has proven that. Old Europe was devastated by diseases because of a lack of diversity and in turn the diseases they carried wiped out entire populations when they made first contact. So diversity has eliminated many of those problems.
Diversity forces people to look at everything differently whether they want to or not and that is always good.
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Source?
I'm sure that PullMyFinger and others can easily provide plenty of sources for his specific claims. These things are well-known to historians, sociologists, etc. But, in the meantime, I'd like to suggest that beneath all of the specific examples that one could give from human history, there are well-documented scientific theories and mathematical models explaining the underlying mechanisms. Some of the earliest and most detailed work in this area comes out of biology and ecology. In the 1970s there was some scientific debate about whether or not species diversity really does support ecological stability and an overall thriving biosystem. Empirical evidence, along with mathematical models, have converged to give strong support to the theory that diversity generally fosters strength. Here is a quote from an article in Nature that sums up the current thinking:
The current empirical evidence indicates that communities may be dominated by such weak trophic interactions. If this is true, then it is also true that the removal, or addition, of any species (weak or strong) can lead to pronounced changes in community composition and structure. It follows that decreasing biodiversity will tend to increase the overall mean interaction strength, on average, and thus increase the probability that ecosystems undergo destabilizing dynamics and collapses. [...] Furthermore, if Elton's observation is correct — that simplified communities are more vulnerable to invasion — than we should also expect an increase in frequency of successful invaders as well as an increase in their impact as our ecosystems become simplified.The diversity-stability debate : Article : Nature
Again, my basic point here is that there are logical and mathematical principles underlying the general notion of the "strength of diversity," and theories based on these principles are supported by a great deal of empirical evidence. This does not mean that each and every instance of increasing diversity is always good. There are a great many subtle factors to take into account, but the general principle is clear: diverse systems will tend to flourish better than systems that with less diversity.
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