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Old 01-17-2015, 09:03 PM
 
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Is this a sound political position? I always championed Liberal hotspots like UC Berkeley, Boulder Colorado, Northampton Mass, Portland Oregon, Burlington Vermont, Austin Texas, Asheville North Carolina, Cambridge Mass

But these happy Liberal places exist because of communities that support it, not because of Govt politicians in Congress and the White House.

Federal Govt need not be anything more than Centrist, practical, wise, and frugal

Political and social controversies must be locally determined, community by community, not dictated by a U.S. Supreme Court.

The more Federal power dictates and regulates, the less freedom we have. The more overegulated the Govt becomes, ironically, the LESS likely you will see places emerge like Boulder and UC Berkeley. It is counterproductive to Liberal goals to have Too much Liberal power in the central Govt.

I think Liberals and Conservatives should actually both withdraw their struggle for national political takeover And compromise on a very limited but vaguely regulated central Govt that is wise and frugal and leaves it to local governing authorities and the people to fill in the voids. Every American will be happier because of it, Liberals AND Conservatives.
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Old 01-17-2015, 09:08 PM
 
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Is this a sound political position? I always championed Liberal hotspots like UC Berkeley, Boulder Colorado, Northampton Mass, Portland Oregon, Burlington Vermont, Austin Texas, Asheville North Carolina, Cambridge Mass
What are liberal ideals?
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Old 01-17-2015, 09:08 PM
 
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So same with Conservative ideals work at local level
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Old 01-17-2015, 09:14 PM
 
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What are liberal ideals?
Liberal ideals would be higher tax shares: More restructuring of wealth to community/determined values
(Teachers and performing artists to get say more tax bebefite eventhough the supply/demand market rewards more money to say financial consultants)

Liberal ideals would be laws determining where public property starts and private property ends

Any incentives to intervene in market for reducing carbon emissions, cleaner air, laws against throwing recyclables in the dumpster,

What offenses are punishable the most. Should one who neglects a pet be more criminalised or less than one who trespasses on someone else's porch

Liberal ideals I mean the community-determined ideology of what is the moral goal. What rights get the highest priority? Those that tamper the collective environment? Or those that tamper individual private property rights? That's the continuum?
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Old 01-17-2015, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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isn't the entire country composed of local communities?
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Old 01-17-2015, 09:19 PM
 
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[quote=Ericthebean;38065726]Liberal ideals would be higher tax shares: More restructuring of wealth to community/determined values
(Teachers and performing artists to get say more tax bebefite eventhough the supply/demand market rewards more money to say financial consultants)

Liberal ideals would be laws determining where public property starts and private property ends

Any incentives to intervene in market for reducing carbon emissions, cleaner air, laws against throwing recyclables in the dumpster,

What offenses are punishable the most. Should one who neglects a pet be more criminalised or less than one who trespasses on someone else's porch

Liberal ideals I mean the community-determined ideology of what is the moral goal. What rights get the highest priority? Those that tamper the collective environment? Or those that tamper individual private property rights? That's the goal of socialism.




What would be the highest tax rate in your world?

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Old 01-17-2015, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Liberal ideals would be higher tax shares: More restructuring of wealth to community/determined values
(Teachers and performing artists to get say more tax bebefite eventhough the supply/demand market rewards more money to say financial consultants)
That has been tried and has failed every time. See the Soviet Union and Cuba.

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Liberal ideals would be laws determining where public property starts and private property ends
I'm not sure what that means. All ideals define where public property starts and private property ends.


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Any incentives to intervene in market for reducing carbon emissions, cleaner air, laws against throwing recyclables in the dumpster,
So, raising the cost of living for hard working Ameicans?


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What offenses are punishable the most. Should one who neglects a pet be more criminalised or less than one who trespasses on someone else's porch
That is neither liberal nor conservative.

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Liberal ideals I mean the community-determined ideology of what is the moral goal. What rights get the highest priority? Those that tamper the collective environment? Or those that tamper individual private property rights? That's the continuum?
Both conservatives and liberals want to define moral goals.
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Old 01-17-2015, 09:32 PM
 
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isn't the entire country composed of local communities?
Yes but each community and region values a different priority of what rights need the most protection


Massachusetts and Colorado value the rights of domestic animals more

Hawaii the biggest offense is tampering with the flora and fauna by bringing in snakes that don't belong in the habitat

Vermont it's littering the ultimate crime

But Texas and the south it's the right of individual undisturbed possession of owned Land....evidenced by its ok to use a gun if someone is on your property uninvited

The Liberal communities and Conservative ones overlap in valuing mostly all rights and freedoms, what I think makes one more Liberal is for the most part...what rights are highest in priority.

Questions like should embryonic stem cell research promoting health for the many outweigh the unborn individuals

Questions like should a park space for the public enjoyment warrant evicting a private property owner who doesn't much use the Land but refuses to sell...or the individual possession come in first

Or limit settings...what level of local taxes is the justifiable level to take from working people to fund public schools and pay to teachers

Smoking bans

Regulating what health benefits should be required should be locality by locality. In conservative zones people may have less need for certain health benefits to be mandated and people can agree they will pay less premium and pay separately for those benefits
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Old 01-17-2015, 09:41 PM
 
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Is this a sound political position? I always championed Liberal hotspots like UC Berkeley, Boulder Colorado, Northampton Mass, Portland Oregon, Burlington Vermont, Austin Texas, Asheville North Carolina, Cambridge Mass

But these happy Liberal places exist because of communities that support it, not because of Govt politicians in Congress and the White House.

Federal Govt need not be anything more than Centrist, practical, wise, and frugal

Political and social controversies must be locally determined, community by community, not dictated by a U.S. Supreme Court.

The more Federal power dictates and regulates, the less freedom we have. The more overegulated the Govt becomes, ironically, the LESS likely you will see places emerge like Boulder and UC Berkeley. It is counterproductive to Liberal goals to have Too much Liberal power in the central Govt.

I think Liberals and Conservatives should actually both withdraw their struggle for national political takeover And compromise on a very limited but vaguely regulated central Govt that is wise and frugal and leaves it to local governing authorities and the people to fill in the voids. Every American will be happier because of it, Liberals AND Conservatives.
Something important you are missing: having power be distributed as locally as possible is the conservative ideal. Thus it makes no sense to say that conservatives should withdraw their struggle for national takeover and compromise on a limited central government. That's already what conservatives want. We struggle for national control so that we can stop liberals from imposing federal authority everywhere. It's like trying take a gun not so that you can shoot it but so that you can keep it safe and not have it shot at all.
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Old 01-17-2015, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Yes but each community and region values a different priority of what rights need the most protection


Massachusetts and Colorado value the rights of domestic animals more

Hawaii the biggest offense is tampering with the flora and fauna by bringing in snakes that don't belong in the habitat

Vermont it's littering the ultimate crime

But Texas and the south it's the right of individual undisturbed possession of owned Land....evidenced by its ok to use a gun if someone is on your property uninvited

The Liberal communities and Conservative ones overlap in valuing mostly all rights and freedoms, what I think makes one more Liberal is for the most part...what rights are highest in priority.

Questions like should embryonic stem cell research promoting health for the many outweigh the unborn individuals

Questions like should a park space for the public enjoyment warrant evicting a private property owner who doesn't much use the Land but refuses to sell...or the individual possession come in first

Or limit settings...what level of local taxes is the justifiable level to take from working people to fund public schools and pay to teachers

Smoking bans

Regulating what health benefits should be required should be locality by locality. In conservative zones people may have less need for certain health benefits to be mandated and people can agree they will pay less premium and pay separately for those benefits
Exclude health care from the list. Everyone will need healthcare sooner or later. Everyone.
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