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Old 01-18-2015, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Clue for you: forcing companies to pay a "living wage" to people whose job duties and required skillsets don't command a living wage in the free market is simply welfare paid for by the private sector.
No one is "forcing" anyone to do anything other than pay their fare share of taxes so that people DON'T have to go on welfare.

And come to think of it, just where would any government funding come from if not the public sector? Bake sales?
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Old 01-18-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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Clue for you: forcing companies to pay a "living wage" to people whose job duties and required skillsets don't command a living wage in the free market is simply welfare paid for by the private sector.
It might be time to value and appreciate those skills.

The local deli clerk who gets your coffee and roll in the morning. You get a smile with that order.

The local fast food drive thru. They take your order, make suggestions, give you your total, and your order with a smile.

The person who cleans the public toilets you use. Perhaps the same person flips your burger. Who knows? I certainly appreciate a clean bathroom, especially when I travel.

The cashier at the grocery who listens to people blaming them for prices or a wrong price.

The person who folds the clothing strewn around the store. We do not like our stores messy, do we?

The kid putting gas in our cars, when it is freezing outside.

All valuable skills. Some one has to do those jobs. Yet we resent them for serving us with a smile.
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Old 01-18-2015, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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The current boy-king, and America's ruling political class of ultra-liberals, won't stop stealing from (what's left of) the American working class, until the working class says "ENOUGH"--and stops donating half of its work hours to a government that benefit every other group (except for the working class).

Our nation is already past $17 trillion in debt (aka printed "monopoly money" that we all pay interest annually to the Fed for), created by a government that insists on micromanaging every movement of every productive citizen. This Big Government has one Prime Directive: to grow in size and power, and confiscate more money from the almost-powerless and largly-unrepresented working class.

With a government that accepts no limits on its annual spending and just prints whatever amount it needs, why should we continue to heavily tax the few productive people left? Is there any real difference between $17 trillion in just-printed monopoly dollars, and twice that--or ten times that? We've already gone past the turning point where other nations "bought" our national debt (they stopped being that stupid many years ago); now our glorious Washington leaders just have The FED "buy the debt" with money THAT THE FED JUST PRINTED! Yup, any facade of legitimacy was gone when the U.S. started paying its credit card debt by opening new credit cards...

So WHY NOT JUST STOP TAXING THE WORKING CLASS??? Big Government doesn't even NEED the money it confiscates--it spends whatever it wants, with no limits.

We all know why. Big Government NEEDS to rob the working class blind, and keep the working class 100% obsessed with simply trying to make ends meet. Big Government taxes the working class into poverty and irrelevance because the working class doesn't need Big Government. They take care of their families and don't need the cops to come to the door every week to keep them from beating each other up. They earn money and make decent decisions. They give to legitimate charities. And they understand that every dollar they send to Washington, or to their State Government, is a dollar wasted--or spend badly.

The Working Class is the enemy of Big Government, because they are the two poles on a spectrum--productivity versus dependency, self-determination versus totalitarianism, libertarianism versus liberalism/socialism/communism, freedom versus slavery.

As long as Big Government continues to grow, the working class will continue to be destroyed.
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Old 01-18-2015, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Notice Obama didn't propose this in 2009 when it would have passed and he could have signed it into law.

He's a fraud.
Raising taxes in the middle of the the largest economic meltdown in 80 years = unsound fiscal policy.

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Originally Posted by kidkaos2 View Post
Clue for you: forcing companies to pay a "living wage" to people whose job duties and required skillsets don't command a living wage in the free market is simply welfare paid for by the private sector.
It's this line of thinking that has kept wages stagnant for years now. Money should always trickle up in a consumer-driven economy, not the other way around. Conservatives just don't get it.
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Old 01-18-2015, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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When I was dating my ex, we just decided to not getting married. Financially, getting married when you both make decent income just doesn't make any sense.
Right. Unless you live in the same household, you are just two separate individuals. It's a shame you turned down marriage for money though.
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Old 01-18-2015, 03:45 PM
 
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I never meta liberal who didn't like a tax.

This proposal is more wealth redistribution.

Never happen.
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Old 01-18-2015, 03:46 PM
 
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Right. Unless you live in the same household, you are just two separate individuals. It's a shame you turned down marriage for money though.
It seems to have turned out well, yes? He is an ex.

There is nothing wrong with not getting married for financial reasons if it benefits them as a couple or as individuals. Seems to be wise planning on their part.
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Old 01-18-2015, 03:47 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Notice Obama didn't propose this in 2009 when it would have passed and he could have signed it into law.

He's a fraud.
You dont propose tax hikes in economic turmoil
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Old 01-18-2015, 03:52 PM
Status: "everybody getting reported now.." (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Clue for you: forcing companies to pay a "living wage" to people whose job duties and required skillsets don't command a living wage in the free market is simply welfare paid for by the private sector.
That argument is a fallacy in and of itself.

In a free market, it doesnt matter if the job and the skill set is worth a living wage, it matters how much people are willing to work for.

If Wal Mart chose to pay all its workers, even management minimum wage, i highly doubt all 2 million of their employees would quit.
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Old 01-18-2015, 03:56 PM
 
Location: it depends
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It might be time to value and appreciate those skills.

The local deli clerk who gets your coffee and roll in the morning. You get a smile with that order.

The local fast food drive thru. They take your order, make suggestions, give you your total, and your order with a smile.

The person who cleans the public toilets you use. Perhaps the same person flips your burger. Who knows? I certainly appreciate a clean bathroom, especially when I travel.

The cashier at the grocery who listens to people blaming them for prices or a wrong price.

The person who folds the clothing strewn around the store. We do not like our stores messy, do we?

The kid putting gas in our cars, when it is freezing outside.

All valuable skills. Some one has to do those jobs. Yet we resent them for serving us with a smile.
Speak for yourself, I do not resent them.

I simply am against pretending that their labor is worth more than than reality says.
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