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The bottom 50% have paid more than their "fair share" for ever. Who do you think sends the soldiers to fight and die in the endless wars created to protect the investments of the top 5%. I am disgusted by the argument that only the rich pay the costs of being a part of our civilization.
Agree i never understood this poor trying to take money from the rich when today wealth and income inequalities are at a all time high. If the poor were stealing from the rich you wouldn't see the huge gap. Ever thought that we are all the poor now and the 400 Wealthiest Americans who own 62% of Wealth in America are the rich? Kind of stupid to be arguing about welfare and bettering yourselves when the real problem in a bad economy is how did they get more wealther then anyone in history? Maybe because they pay no taxes?
CEO wages are around 204 times the average worker but minimum wages are the problem?
Those executive boards seem very willing to grant increases when it comes to corporate execs, some very good ones but we have seen many that are incompetent and actually received bonuses even when the company loses money.
Sure, I'll address yours, and then you address mine.
Inflation can go up. - One of the main reasons it goes up is due to quantitative easing and the type of currency system we use.
CEO wages can go up. - It will both rise with inflation as well as the perceived "value" of the CEO goes up. It's no different than why an athletes wages go up.
Corporate profits can go up. - It will rise with inflation and will also go up due to things like automation and larger markets.
Taxes can go up. - Taxes will increase with inflation as increased spending.
Ok, now please address the wages of an assistant manager if the minimum wage were raised to $15 per hour. After that, we can talk about every other job that paid more than minimum wage. We'll talk about if a worker on a manufacturing line for 5 years making $17 an hour will feel if a first day burger flipper gets $15 per hour. Then we'll talk about the line manager making $20 per hour when his line workers are making $23 an hour.
Be prepared.
Calm down Rambo.
Basically all employees would receive well deserved wage increases. That's it.
Good grief. Hitler, himself, said he more effectively implemented Marxism than anyone else. Go back and read Hitler's and the Nazi party members' actual quotes in my post: http://www.city-data.com/forum/38140012-post499.html
Those who advocate and implement Marxism are extreme left-wingers, not right-wingers.
Good grief. Hitler, himself, said he more effectively implemented Marxism than anyone else. Go back and read Hitler's and the Nazi party members' actual quotes in my post: http://www.city-data.com/forum/38140012-post499.html
Those who advocate and implement Marxism are extreme left-wingers, not right-wingers.
I'm done with this side conversation. Any historian or political scientist worth her salt will tell you that fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum AND that the Nazis (a) used the word socialist to trick people and (b) were right wing conservatives.
I'm done with this side conversation. Any historian or political scientist worth her salt will tell you that fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum AND that the Nazis (a) used the word socialist to trick people and (b) were right wing conservatives.
Why listen to biased historians or political scientists when HITLER HIMSELF STATED EXACTLY WHAT HE DID: HE IMPLEMENTED MARXISM MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN ANYONE ELSE.
Quote:
"I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and penpushers have timidly begun...I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order.
(Hitler to Rauschning, The Voice of Destruction, pg. 186)."
That's extreme left-wing.
Furthermore, Hitler's Holocaust fits right in with the other extreme left-wing governments' decades long history of murdering 100s of millions of their own people.
When are the bottom 50% going to start paying their fair share?
Will someone please explain what "The bottom 50%" means?
Does it mean bottom 50% of workers?
Does it mean bottom 50% of the population?
What 50% are you talking about?
If you mean the bottom 50% of the American population, then these percentages are relevant.
23% of the population are children under 18. Of course they don't pay Federal taxes
14.5% of the population are retired people over 65 and most of those don't pay taxes any more
19% of the population are legally disabled and many of them don't pay taxes.
So I ask, Who are the deadbeats and lazy people we are talking about? Is it the 1% who cheat the system? If that's the case then start a thread that rails against the 1% who cheat the system rather than accuse half the entire nation of being lazy welfare cheats and creating this strawman image of half the nation being lazy, shiftless, worthless cheats.
When are the bottom 50% going to start paying their fair share?
Will someone please explain what "The bottom 50%" means?
Does it mean bottom 50% of workers?
Does it mean bottom 50% of the population?
What 50% are you talking about?
If you mean the bottom 50% of the American population, then these percentages are relevant.
23% of the population are children under 18. Of course they don't pay Federal taxes
14.5% of the population are retired people over 65 and most of those don't pay taxes any more
19% of the population are legally disabled and many of them don't pay taxes.
So I ask, Who are the deadbeats and lazy people we are talking about? Is it the 1% who cheat the system? If that's the case then start a thread that rails against the 1% who cheat the system rather than accuse half the entire nation of being lazy welfare cheats instead of creating this strawman image of half the nation being lazy, shiftless, worthless cheats.
Jeesh, it ain't rocket science, people.
Thank you! I've asked a few times and no one will answer that.
Its so hard to talk to you sometimes, you cling to the tax rate argument like a life preserver. The truth is if you look at tax rates alone yes the richest pay the most taxes. But its a right wing slight of hand trick. Because its never been about tax rates but tax loopholes and tax breaks after that that takes 21.67% tax rate and effectively makes it 2%. Further the rub is that most 1%ers and above have no income because there wealth is earned thru Investments and dividends on those investments. Which is different tax code all together.
I'd say many in the bottom 50% pay their fair share by working for unlivable wages so the rich could live off their backs.
Nothing is forcing them to work jobs for "unlivable wages" as you put it. They are only self limited, either due to not getting a proper education (which is provided for free in this country),lack of ambition to better themselves, or mistakes they made along the way (drugs, crime, societal rebellion, etc.). So in many cases they have made their own beds, and must now sleep in them.
Regardless, if everyone does not have some skin in the game, they are not fully participating citizens with a vested interest. Sure that is good for the (D's) which feed off of them, pretending to have their best interests at heart. In reality they set up social welfare programs which enslaves most of them to become dependent on the government for their very survival. The (D's) of course benefit from this with low education voters always willing to vote for them to keep the freebies coming.
Instead, if more people had to pay federal income tax, even a small percentage, they would wise up and realize which party was for reducing the size and power of government (i.e. taxes). Another thing would be for people to keep all their money until the end of the year, and then be hit with a total bill to pay all their taxes.
The way it stands now, it is designed to mask actually how much they pay in taxes since it comes out in small amounts every week.
Also every gasoline station in the country should have to disclose how much gas is per gallon before taxes, just like retailers do when they sell clothes, TV's, etc.
That would help to educate people where a lot of their hard earned money is going, to instead of blaming prices on "Big Oil".
The (D's) love to try and divide people by making scapegoats to unite a voting constituency, ala good old Saul Alinsky teachings in "Rules For Radicals".
Blame big oil, big pharma, big business, etc. as the reason for the countries problems, all the while taking their political campaign contributions. So it is a win-win for (D's), and the poor low education voters are the ones who are the losers.
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Hitler, himself, said he more effectively implemented Marxism than anyone else. Go back and read Hitler's and the Nazi party members' actual quotes in my post:
