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Old 01-24-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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what? You believe a high school education is sufficient these days?
It's not sufficient when 2/3 of our country's public school graduates aren't even proficient at the 12th grade level. 2/3 aren't even getting the equivalent of a high school education.

 
Old 01-24-2015, 11:08 AM
 
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AHA! Now you understand why they're having all those children. Now you understand why the Bush Tax Cuts (TM) increased the proportion of federal income taxes paid by the rich.
But liberals scream and cry incessantly that Bush CUT the taxes paid by the rich.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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@InformedConsent

1) Nearly half of all U.S. births are paid for by Medicaid (medical care public assistance program for the poor).

Yeah another slight of hand, is half of births paid for by medicare because parents are lazy and poor?
It's Medicaid, not Medicare, and yes... it's because they're poor. The only way to qualify for Medicaid is to be poor. Medical care costs have nothing to do with whether one qualifies for Medicaid or not.

You're always wrong about your "sleight of hand" assertions. Tell us... from where are you getting so much disinformation? And why do you believe so much of it without looking at the facts yourself? Why is it so easy for propagandists to manipulate you?
 
Old 01-24-2015, 11:16 AM
 
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Your logic is astounding. It leaves me truly speechless.
Living beyond one's means leaves me speechless. Why would anyone think they're entitled to steal from others to live beyond their own means?
 
Old 01-24-2015, 12:29 PM
 
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"but to believe that all of any one group believes in one way IS the height of stupidity."To make that claim when NOBODY said it, is stupidity.
Actually numerous people on numerous threads make the assumption that all business owners are against increasing the minimum wage and affordable healthcare.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 12:33 PM
 
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Our country's public schools are a bust, they only educate 1/3 of all graduates to 12th grade basic proficiency level in reading and math, so what do you suggest?
I suggest allowing people who actually know something about educating children to completely rehaul the educational system.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 12:37 PM
 
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Living beyond one's means leaves me speechless. Why would anyone think they're entitled to steal from others to live beyond their own means?
You are completely oversimplifying the issue.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 12:55 PM
 
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You are completely oversimplifying the issue.
Not at all. Live within one's means. Don't expect a handout you didn't earn and/or to which you didn't contribute to for decades (e.g., SS and Medicare) unless you're genuinely incapacitated. Simple as that.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 01:49 PM
 
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What is the point of encouraging, enabling, and rewarding an exponentially growing welfare-dependent class? How are public assistance recipients going to contribute more than they take, which is what is needed to sustain our society?

Again, supply and demand. There's an oversupply of no/low-skill workers. That depresses their wages. Their 3 times higher birth rate, and giving illegal aliens work permits only exacerbate that problem.

Oh, I agree. Not a fan of war.
I am not saying the system is perfect, far from it. But I don't think the tax part of the system is the one that needs fixing. There are other parts that are much more urgent, then the tax part is easy to fix.
Look at countries where income disparity is much less than in the US, for instance in Scandinavia. What you will find is that the percentage of taxpayers in those places is much higher than in the US.

Regarding the low or no-skill jobs, they are there for a reason, and we should try to maintain them instead of automating them out of existence because people won't go away just because jobs go away. Not everyone has what it takes to do a high-profile job. We can't all be engineers, technicians, etc. In the West we have already made that mistake with agriculture, which used to employ a lot of people. Now it's all machines and the food has certainly not become better, just cheaper. And why do some people want it to be cheap? Because of greed on the part of investors and because we are keeping an underclass which can hardly afford quality food.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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I am not saying the system is perfect, far from it. But I don't think the tax part of the system is the one that needs fixing. There are other parts that are much more urgent, then the tax part is easy to fix.
Look at countries where income disparity is much less than in the US, for instance in Scandinavia. What you will find is that the percentage of taxpayers in those places is much higher than in the US.
Yes, because they have REGRESSIVE tax systems. Duh.

Look at the "Progressivity of Direct Taxes" chart, here:
Other countries don’t have a “47%” - The Washington Post
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