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And he can be denied what that cake says, but they can sell him a blank cake if he wants. Unlike someone being denied an entire cake just for being gay.
So the message "God hates homosexuals" is the same as the words 5 Pride Lexington? Really?
The message is different, but the principle is the same.
The t-shirt company would not print gay pride shirts for anyone --- gay or straight, male or female, Christian or atheist, etc.. They lost and were punished.
This baker's defense is it won't decorate with God hates homosexuals for anyone.
Neither business is discriminating based on a characteristic of the customer. Both refused based on content of the message.
The message is different, but the principle is the same.
The t-shirt company would not print gay pride shirts for anyone --- gay or straight, male or female, Christian or atheist, etc.. They lost and were punished.
This baker's defense is it won't decorate with God hates homosexuals for anyone.
Neither business is discriminating based on a characteristic of the customer. Both refused based on content of the message.
Then maybe the tee shirt company shouldn't have put in a bid to make the tee shirts, then cancel the bid AFTER they were the shop that was picked. Putting in a bid shows that you want the job.
When have gays tried to force anyone to provide a service or product that they don't offer?
Baker? Nope, they offered wedding cakes.
Florist? Nope they offered wedding flowers.
Photographer? Nope they offered wedding photography.
THIS guy is trying to make a bakery make a cake that they do not offer for sale, a "god hates homosexuals" cake.
He asked them to make cookies, which is what they make. They refused.
I would have baked the cake, written as he requested. I would have put an X through the word 'hate' and written the word love over it.
When he came for his cake, and every time he returned for the cake, I would make profuse apologies, because I do not know how that could have possibly happened. I would ask him to return. And, the mistake would be the same, only in a different color.
You could just tell him that God works in mysterious ways and that the word 'hate' kept miraculously changing to the word 'love' all on it's own.
He asked them to make cookies, which is what they make. They refused.
According to the OP they offered to make him the cake, and give him the materials to write what ever he wanted.
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owner Marjorie Silva offered to make the Bible-shaped cake and sell to the customer a decorating bag so he can complete whatever message he wanted himself.
Regardless if the word hate was requested for the cake, these people would have just as likely been refused service for a cake created for a traditional marriage rally saying something as simple as "Christians for Traditional Marriage".
Yes these people were over the top, but only to make their point. Christian bakers have to violate their religious beliefs to create cakes for gay weddings. But pro-gay bakers are free to discriminate against Christians who want a cake to celebrate Biblical traditional marriage. That is discrimination and people are jumping through hoops to justify why its fine to discriminate against people for whom traditional marriage is part of their religious beliefs.
The bottom line is, everyone should be able to refuse service to people or groups who make them violate their beliefs. Christians should be able to run businesses without being sued into oblivion. A Black print shop owner should be able to refuse a job from the KKK. Gay t-shirt printers should be able to turn away business from Christian clients. The truly hateful ones will quickly get separated from those who are just quietly standing up for their beliefs.
Besides, who wants to give someone business who is bigoted towards you and who would expect top-notch service from someone forced to provide you service under the threat of litigation?
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