Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-28-2015, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Texas
37,949 posts, read 17,865,154 times
Reputation: 10371

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahboy79 View Post
I'd read this one too
Sharp Football Analysis

They've been cheating since 2007. There's another entry in the blog that shows players mysteriously fumbled less often once they became a patriot and then fumble rates skyrocketed once they left the pats. A deflated ball is easier to catch but also easier to secure and less likely to fumble.
The more experience a QB gets, the less likely he will fumble. The more the QB gets sacked, the more a team fumbles. The Patriots don't get sacked. Since 2007 the Patriots were among the best in protecting their QB. Except in 2013 when Brady was sacked 40 times and had 10 fumbles.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-28-2015, 05:48 AM
 
10,553 posts, read 9,649,020 times
Reputation: 4784
Quote:
Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Can a scientific approach be made to this deflated football deal?

Filled(who knows how much moisture introduced: ambient conditions inside the ball) and officially verified/inspected in the heated locker room and stored to acclimate to the heated facilities before game time.

Now take these balls into the much cooler temperatures and cool the trapped air inside the ball.
The pressure is physically going to drop inside the ball to what it was in the heated facilities it was aired and stored prior to the game.

Not to mention the humidity levels inside the ball are going to rise. High humidity( a lot of moisture in the air) is a low pressure zone.

Your car tires are a perfect example of cooling and heating air that is trapped inside.
Drive your car. Feel your tire immediately after highway travel. It is warm but not hot to the touch.
A car tire can gain or lose 5-lbs. of pressure in a 30º-f change in temperature.


Remember pressure is not volume the air occupies, as it is heated and cooled.

Deflate-gate belongs in the Sports Forum...not Politics.

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2015, 06:00 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
78,863 posts, read 46,624,265 times
Reputation: 18521
Quote:
Originally Posted by ellemint View Post
Deflate-gate belongs in the Sports Forum...not Politics.


This is a big controversy. This forum is for Controversies. Or have you not read what forum you are on.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2015, 06:08 AM
 
3,782 posts, read 4,249,635 times
Reputation: 7892
When I first heard about deflated balls, I thought it was an article about our president.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2015, 06:18 AM
 
41,813 posts, read 51,051,710 times
Reputation: 17864
Quote:
Originally Posted by SourD View Post
ONLY the Pat's balls were deflated not the Colts'
They would have to be tested under the same conditions and I believe it's been established they weren't, also note that the patriots balls were already near the lower threshold

Secondly since the team is preparing the ball before the official test they may have for example used hot air to fill it. Some would call that cheating but I'd call it bending the rules.

Last edited by thecoalman; 01-28-2015 at 06:32 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2015, 07:39 AM
 
Location: DC
6,848 posts, read 7,992,465 times
Reputation: 3572
Quote:
Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Can a scientific approach be made to this deflated football deal?

Filled(who knows how much moisture introduced: ambient conditions inside the ball) and officially verified/inspected in the heated locker room and stored to acclimate to the heated facilities before game time.

Now take these balls into the much cooler temperatures and cool the trapped air inside the ball.
The pressure is physically going to drop inside the ball to what it was in the heated facilities it was aired and stored prior to the game.

Not to mention the humidity levels inside the ball are going to rise. High humidity( a lot of moisture in the air) is a low pressure zone.

Your car tires are a perfect example of cooling and heating air that is trapped inside.
Drive your car. Feel your tire immediately after highway travel. It is warm but not hot to the touch.
A car tire can gain or lose 5-lbs. of pressure in a 30º-f change in temperature.


Remember pressure is not volume the air occupies, as it is heated and cooled.
That's about 1/2 pound worth of change. The balls were 2 pounds below the lower limit. The balls were tampered with. The NFL was tipped in advance that the Patriots do this and they were looking for it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2015, 08:26 AM
 
59,040 posts, read 27,306,837 times
Reputation: 14281
Quote:
Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Can a scientific approach be made to this deflated football deal?

Filled(who knows how much moisture introduced: ambient conditions inside the ball) and officially verified/inspected in the heated locker room and stored to acclimate to the heated facilities before game time.

Now take these balls into the much cooler temperatures and cool the trapped air inside the ball.
The pressure is physically going to drop inside the ball to what it was in the heated facilities it was aired and stored prior to the game.

Not to mention the humidity levels inside the ball are going to rise. High humidity( a lot of moisture in the air) is a low pressure zone.

Your car tires are a perfect example of cooling and heating air that is trapped inside.
Drive your car. Feel your tire immediately after highway travel. It is warm but not hot to the touch.
A car tire can gain or lose 5-lbs. of pressure in a 30º-f change in temperature.


Remember pressure is not volume the air occupies, as it is heated and cooled.
And Luck has all the balls he uses put in front of the heaters in order to make them harder because he likes a hard ball.

If the patriots broke the rules, so did the Colts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2015, 03:34 PM
 
4,873 posts, read 3,601,591 times
Reputation: 3881
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
And Luck has all the balls he uses put in front of the heaters in order to make them harder because he likes a hard ball.

If the patriots broke the rules, so did the Colts.
Is there an NFL regulation on ball hardness?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2015, 03:37 PM
 
26,497 posts, read 15,074,947 times
Reputation: 14643
Quote:
Originally Posted by DCforever View Post
That's about 1/2 pound worth of change. The balls were 2 pounds below the lower limit. The balls were tampered with. The NFL was tipped in advance that the Patriots do this and they were looking for it.
You are flat wrong.

Science experiments making the ball wet and lowering the ball 25 degrees show a nearly 2 PSI drop.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=619508834842607

HeadSmart Labs

Experiments that say that there can't be a 2 PSI drop ignore that there was heavy rain and ignorantly keep the balls dry. Wet leather expands, which means more volume with the same amount of air = lower pressure (PSI).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
41,479 posts, read 59,783,759 times
Reputation: 24863
It must have been a slow sports news week.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:28 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top